Did the apostles worship Mary? (pt 3)

Please see posts 1 & 2 for context.

When the question was first posed: ‘Is Mary worthy of worship?’ why is it that we know WHAT Mary I am addressing, for surely there are millions who share this first name? Tradition cements in the mind ONE Mary, and like a steel trap, does not allow clear thought to the better question: is scripture sufficient for our guide? 

This question should end all controversy to an honest heart, for it is possible to make great strides in understanding a doctrine with full confidence. If we however rely on tradition alone, then the boat of understanding will always be on troubled waters.

The first post demonstrated the palpable strength of years and years of religious opinion that ascribes equal worth to  Mary and Christ. We learned  however through scripture that ALL have sinned, this includes all stone masons, mayors, beggars, writers, priests, popes, and much to the chagrin of many, Mary.

The second post revealed titles that are God-like. It has been taught that not only was Mary conceived without sin, but that she was ascended into heaven, and I call this the ‘great assumption.’ Both doctrines are fed to the unlearned as fact, but  scripture (if it is to be our guide) affirms neither.

Fair speeches yes, scripture used yes, appeal to emotions, yes. Can they withstand the scrutiny of the Spirit of God and the word of God, no. To the unsuspecting, the Immaculate Conception speaks to Mary’s birth with papal infallibility. The Assumption speaks of  Mary’s alleged translation to heaven.

And where pray tell would Mary sit in heaven? Where else would a queen sit but on her throne, with a tiara. The book I read says when the Lord Jesus ascended into heaven, (by virtue of His own worth by the way) he sat down on the right hand of God.

He sat down because the work of the high priest was finished. In the tabernacle on earth, one piece of furniture was strikingly missing from the holy place: a seat. There could be no rest until the sin of the world was met with satisfaction.

So the Lord sits, and waits. He waits until his enemies be made his footstool, and he will arise and execute the fury of the wrath of God. The Lord Jesus will not ask Mary for approval to act, but more importantly, she is not even there to ask. There is only God on his throne.

Paul the apostle asked his friends: Have I become your enemy by telling you the truth?  Mary born sinless, and assumed as queen of heaven. Hmmmm. Truth can be painful, but only to our pride; yet truth is also a balm, a savour of life unto life.

There is no longer a need to protect a belief if it disagrees with God and his ways, and here there is no interest in making enemies. I would be the greatest of hypocrites if I kept these jewels to myself, and I understand that insults  can be simple attacks based on having wrong information.

These are not my truths, and I do not make them more truthful by the broadcasting; just passing them along, hoping you can find help in such days of spiritual fog.

Mary and Joseph were good people. They walked in the integrity of their faith; they obeyed government laws as long as they did not interfere with God; and they did not understand fully what this ‘Father’s business’ was that their son was ever about.

At age twelve, the young Lord was found in the temple sitting at the feet of the scribes, hearing and asking them questions. His place was respectful of his elders as he did not teach them, while at the same time, ‘having understanding that was infinite.’

His mother did not have understanding which was infinite; his mother did not ask questions that would stun the scholars; his mother did not walk on the water; his mother did not raise Jairus daughter; his mother did not change water into wine; his mother did not feed the five thousand with a few scraps; his mother did not give sight to the blind; his mother did not cure a man of devils; his mother did not forgive an adulterous woman; his mother did not stand mute before Pilate; his mother did not ride the donkey; his mother did not predict her own death and resurrection; his mother did not predict his coming again; his mother did not send the Holy Spirit, and his mother did not die for the sins of the world, yet, yet, yet, people are forced to believe somehow someway, that Mary is worthy of worship? Really?

At the baptism of the Lord by John, the spirit of God like a dove came and identified the Messiah. The ministry of the lamb of God began in full, John’s life would end, and Mary’s heart would be pierced through with many sorrows.

The knowledge of sinners coming to her was not one of these sorrows. I would venture a guess and suggest she may say: ‘Who are you to give worth to a servant of God?’ Similar to this was the angel rebuking John the apostle on Patmos for falling at his feet: ‘Worship God.’

During the ministry of the Lord, he shared a morsel of truth with his apostles, promising them that in the regeneration, THEY would sit on thrones, judging the tribes of Israel. (Matthew 19.28) This promise was not given to me, you, popes, nor Mary. Again I submit: ‘Is scripture sufficient as our guide?’

There are pictures galore of Mary as the center of attention, with Peter, James, John and the others at her feet, noting the upper room at Pentecost as one, but assumptions are poor articles of faith.

She was a sister to the brethren, lending support to the men as they all awaited ‘power from on high,’ and if scripture be our guide, Mary was certainly not ‘your majesty,’ who received ‘kneedom’ by the twelve.

Indeed this godly woman with her husband Joseph, the baptist, the brethren,  as well as  the other Mary’s, would clearly say ‘He must increase, and I must decrease,’ speaking of the only Lord, Jesus Christ.

May I remind you that scripture contains ALL that pertains to life and godliness, so we need not look outside its pages to interpret the contents.

If scripture clearly slams the door on a co-redeemer, I say ‘amen.’  if tradition agrees with the biblical narrative, I say ‘amen. What about you?

I will address a different point of view in the next and then final post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary

https://thenakedtruth2.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/god-blessed-mary-part-4/

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12 Responses to Did the apostles worship Mary? (pt 3)

  1. SLIMJIM says:

    Good and brave piece. Let Scripture be our guide!

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Hi Jim-

      “Brave’ maybe, ‘good,’ glad you think so. There seems to be a renewed interest in this topic, and sad to say, if there was a worldwide tour, the Lord Jesus would be backup or the guest…

      One more post coming, tkx again for support.

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  2. Citizen Tom says:

    Very interesting, thoughtful, and informative discussion of a difficult subject.

    I concur with the notion that we should use scripture as our guide, and based upon what we know from scripture, both the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of Mary are speculative.

    Here, BTW, is what the Catholic Encyclopedia says about the Assumption.
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02006b.htm

    Just a few thoughts.

    There may be one, but I don’t know of a Christian church, including the Catholic Church, that worships Mary. Does the Catholic Church teach its members to pray to Mary and the saints for intercession? Yes. Is that worship? No. However, because it has the look and feel of worship, such instruction is misguided. So I share your concern, but perhaps I don’t see as much of a problem. I think the Catholic Church risks appearing to scripture words that just aren’t there, but they have yet to do so..

    The Catholic Church still puts the focus on Christ Jesus. Consider, for example, the difference in these names: the Ascension and the Assumption. Whereas Jesus rose into heaven by His own power in presence of His disciples (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01767a.htm), God took possession of Mary. Whereas Jesus is God, Mary only gave birth to his human form. Being chose to given birth to Jesus, however, deserves more than just a little bit of respect.

    How does Mary rate relative to the apostles? I don’t know.

    Here is what the Catholic Encyclopedia says about Mary.
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm
    Here is what the Catholic Encyclopedia says about the apostles.
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01626c.htm

    Which does the Catholic Church hold in higher regard, Mary or the Twelve? I think the Catholic Church rates Mary as being greater than the apostles, but whether they do or they don’t, they probably should not. As Jesus told Peter (John 21:22): “What is that to you? You follow Me.”

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    • ColorStorm says:

      You added value to the subject at hand, and the work is appreciated. A topic surely worthy of thought, and hopefully dialog may continue after the last post.

      There are other places where this line of thinking is explosive, and enemies are made by folks with quick and thoughtless tongues, but it is important as anything when God and His word are called into play.

      I do think your final sentence is appropriate. I want to be decent and in order also.
      Tkx.

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  3. Planting Potatoes says:

    bingo Jack! I guess I should have read part 3 before making a comment on part 2, eh? 🙂 I was never taught that Mary was to be a queen in heaven, in fact, I don’t recall ever being taught about anything beyond Mary’s life on earth…..this post does bring to mind when the woman asked Jesus if her sons could have a place with him in heaven and how Jesus replied…please forgive me as I cannot recall the exact scripture, could you help me?

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    • ColorStorm says:

      I think this is what you are speaking of:

      Then came to him the mother of Zebedee’s children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. (Mark 10)

      Take note that this question was a springboard for the ‘indignation’ conversation that followed. The Lord spoke of authority, and the idea of a ‘queen’ of heaven just plain escapes me.

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      • Planting Potatoes says:

        that’s it! if you were a dart player…you would have a bulls eye for sure! 🙂 We just watched an old movie where the characters were kneeling before a statue of Mary and praying to her..asking her for things. My wife was a Catholic and was never comfortable with that aspect of their religion.

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  4. There is nothing that I could add to what you’ve done in this series, so far. I commend your faithfulness to Scripture and meekness.

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    • Colorstorm says:

      Why thank you Maria, this was difficult to do.

      The truth was easy to broadcast, but the manner and spirit was something that I tried to be (and you alluded to) sensitive about, yet without compromise..

      Your time and affection is very encouraging. Your note is humbling, and I thank God for you.

      Please at any time, feel free to comment, start a thread, or pass along as you see fit.

      jack

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