He is nobody special…

If the next sentence does not trouble you as a believer, I implore you to examine yourself.

There is a thought floating around that says the son of God brought nothing new to mankind, that His teachings were simply  borrowed  from ‘other’ sages, that his acts of benevolence were gestures  common to good men, and that if He lived at all, His death was just a fine example of a man dying with principle.

It would take volumes to correct the egregious error that asserts Christ was simply a good man, and it would take a printing press where the ink would run dry that proves He is uniquely divine. The assaults on the person, work, and worth of Christ are ageless, as there is nothing new under the sun, as seen in the avalanche and epidemic of today’s blindness.

Indeed there are voices permeating in the air that would suggest there were ‘many’ men of sorrows, many miracle workers, many country preachers with a message of peace, and many men who had flocks of followers. Yes, the angel of light is quite the professional, and knows how to whisper such devilish suggestions, but the Accuser’s  dealings with the Lord came up eternally short as he failed to prove him ‘nobody special.’

If the Devil himself found no fault in the Christ of God, what possible chance under heaven could anybody have in finding a defect in the incomparable Lord of glory?

If you are certain the scriptures are words of life given that your precious faith may grow, then you already believe what is forthcoming; perhaps you can see it in a different light, and thus sing praise to God using one of a thousand tongues.

Only a fool would deny he has never sinned. He may argue the phraseology, but stealing penny candy makes one a thief. True, the offense is not equal to corporate embezzling, but in the eyes of God, taking that which belongs to another is a simple encroachment against heavens word: ‘thou shalt not steal.’

Whether coveting, thievery, lying, taking the name of the Lord in vain, or any other trespass, the brotherhood of man has THAT in common: all sinners. Doesn’t sound pretty, not the kind of talk you would find on Wall street or in the White House,  but it is certainly true.

The prophets of old including the greatest prophet born of women, John, were good men but sinners.

Isaiah saw the holiness of God and said ‘Woe is me.’ The Baptist said of Christ: ‘I am not worthy to untie his sandals.’ That giant of the faith Paul, viewed himself as very small before the high court of heaven: ‘I am chief of sinners.’ Yes, holy men of God but sinners. If they said THAT about themselves, do you suppose we are any better?

So then, God who is an all-consuming fire, God who is holy, just, true, perfect, and sinless, how could He possibly, how could he possibly justify sinful man without compromising His own intrinsic eternal perfection?  

Enter Christ.  As the sinless son of God,  His life was a testament that proved the worth of his sacrifice. His dealings with everybody were such that the world has never seen. When he touched the leper and said ‘be cleansed,’ here was a good man ministering to he who was despised. When He forgave the woman of an indiscretion, He gave her strength and dignity which she did not have, and she too was made whole. When He stilled the raging seas, nature heeded the voice of the Creator.

Truly, He does all things well.  Obedient to the Father, living a sinless life, ministering good at every turn, if ever there a man who was blameless on earth, here He was.

When He said ‘Thy sins be forgiven thee,’ that was true, for only God could forgive sins. However, a perfect life could not put away sin, and it took His death to settle once and for all  that which no man could do:

He would glorify God by the sacrifice of himself by being made sin,  as He willingly bridged the distance between a holy God and sinful man, and paid in full the wages of sin.

There is no greater love than this.

He would be MADE sin, yes the Lamb of God, He who knew no sin, would take them upon Himself, endure the wrath of God against ALL ungodliness, and  put them away once, and forever.  There was, is, and never will be a man who has this strength and love for humanity such as the son of God, the man Christ Jesus.

From the sin of Adam and his posterity, to the last man born on this earth, the value of His death was immeasurable and priceless, as God the Father placed on Him the iniquity of us all.  Do we see the scope of this wonderful terribleness, which proves God is for us?

Abraham heard this while Isaac lived:  ‘God will provide HIMSELF a sacrifice,’ and those true words would be accomplished at the place of the Skull. Man would hide, God would look away, and the son of God would tend to one last lost sheep in his final moments before He BOWED His head in reverential placement, where finally, unlike the foxes who have holes, and the birds have nests, He finally had a place to lay his head.

One thing the man Christ Jesus did that was unique? What an insulting question regarding He whose name is Wonderful. What a dark and blasphemous suggestion that the man Christ Jesus, was simply a good man. Such blindness to the mercy and grace of God. Such blindness of the human heart.

EVERYTHING HE DID WAS UNIQUE

Try putting away sin yourself, as you have nothing of merit to make right that which is crooked. Man should be shamed at such indifference, to mock or ignore the eternal fact and truth that Christ was not a victim of unfortunate circumstances, but that He died for our sins ‘according to the scriptures.’

Once more we see the large heart of God in the face of utter depravity: He is not willing that any should perish, He patiently waits while He gives man one more breath, one more day, one more week, one more month, one more year, and a thousand more days of life to open the eyes to taste and see that the Lord, He is God, and He is good.

It would appear that after reading the gospel narrative, the epistles, and the entire warp and woof of scripture regarding Christ, for one to then assert  He was ‘nobody special,’ could be arrogance, wickedness, deceit, or simply what I like to call: a defective view of sin and self, also known as pride. Others know it as blindness.

The Lord is Nobody special, you going with that?

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74 Responses to He is nobody special…

  1. Thank you for this, ColorStorm!
    Maria

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  2. Reblogged this on Pilgrim’s Progress revisited – walking the narrow way and commented:
    “The Lord is Nobody special” – you going with that…?

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  3. Well said. To deny Him is actually to deny yourself. How you perceive Him is how you yourself will be perceived. People can be very bold, very arrogant, when they are safe and comfortable. It only takes a fraction of a second to realize how foolish we are.

    Coincidentally, it is actually Islamic eschatology that presents Christ as nobody special, which is disconcerting but a bit fascinating too, because those who claim to be so pure and reason based in their thinking, are really speaking Islamic prophecy about the end times.

    Regardless, all will be well. I know Him. He’s special. 😉

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Ya know ib, I’ve been working on this post for a few days, and it is increasingly difficult to read my own words ‘nobody special,’ and I think that is a good thing. But that’s scripture right: ‘despised and rejected of men……………no reputation………………?’ Yea, but in that context, we know him as Wonderful, and yes,more than special.

      And the ‘religion of peace?’ Yea, with machetes in hand. If there is something true, you can be sure there is a counterfeit. But I’m with ya, ‘greater is he………………’ and all will be well

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  4. The Gospel you have proclaimed. If you don’t believe it Im certain we agree you are not a true believer. Thanks, Maria.

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  5. tildeb says:

    And you’re willing to grant so much trust and authority to a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy filled with inconsistencies between the gospel accounts against which to compare to come up with this vision you have of a specific and single person named Jesus… without addressing the character’s defects also told by the gospel writers yet so easily forgiving him for introducing Hell to all future generations?

    I don’t know if ‘faith’ is the best word to describe HOW you came to this rather remarkable conclusion.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Yep, Tildeb, strange, how after all these years, God is still able to perform that which He set out to do; to call out a people for His name, people who have turned the world upside down beginning with a lowly carpenter, a few fishermen, a tax man, a tentmaker, a seller of purple, and everybody thereafter who has believed the simple testimony of reliable scribes and eye witnesses, and today we have the same accounts preserved, and lives are still changed, and God is still God.

      What is truly remarkable is how people can see the same account, and say ‘away with him!’

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  6. Wally Fry says:

    ColorStorm

    Wow..nobody special…It’s hard to even say the words to myself. But…even among those who profess to believe,,,He is not thought of as necessarily special any more, is He? If the world sees Christians treating Jesus as just a guy, then why would we expect them to think of Him any differently?

    “stealing penny candy makes one a thief”

    That one tickled me…last night with the teen class Wednesday…we used the example of a cookie stolen…but it’s true, that little no account sin is enough to separate us from our Holy God, but His Grace is enough to restore us, even if it was, as you said, corporate embezzlement.

    Nice Brother

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    • ColorStorm says:

      This is very prevalent among certain ‘sects’ of the higher learning of ATU. ‘Nobody special…’

      A-Theos University. The devil tried it Wally-he came up short.

      And yes, we could be doing similar by ‘taking for granted’ the grace of God, but if so, the grace of God still covers our aloofness.

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  7. Amazing post CS!!! This “Nobody Special” has deeply and profoundly changed my heart and my life and the lives and hearts of millions throughout the generations since his birth. Thousands have given their lives to serve others because they felt called by this “Nobody Special”. Thousands have paid with their lives because they refused to deny this “Nobody Special”. I would say these facts in addition to all the truth you shared here make Jesus unique, amazing, wonderful and special beyond our ability to fully comprehend.

    “The word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” 1 Corinthians 1:18

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Your reply here is fantastic Betty. Hey, where did I hear that?

      I like the identity you gave, how Nobody Special made you anew; yep I’m with ya, as are countless others as u said.

      Awesome comment.
      Tkx for reading, pondering, and posting!

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  8. Eliza says:

    The officers sent by the Pharisees to arrest Jesus Christ answered them when they came back without Jesus Christ:

    The officers answered, “No man ever spoke like this Man!” John 7:46

    He alone has the words of eternal life. We can only believe in Him and receive what He has said as God the Holy Spirit removes the clods of unbelief that keep our eyes from seeing Him and unshackles our hearts from rebellious hatred that prevents us from believing, loving and obeying Jesus Christ.

    Thank you for this wonderful post. God bless you:)

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    • ColorStorm says:

      ‘No man EVER spoke like this man….’

      Great observation; the people who say He is Nobody special,are pretty much lying to themselves.

      ‘Unto you which believe, He is PRECIOUS…….’

      tkx eliza-

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      • archaeopteryx1 says:

        I see you’ve started moderating – a sure sign of fear!

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Are YOUR atheist friends fearful when they moderate?

          What you call fear is simply a disdain for the revolving door of endless and mind-numbing diversions, references totally unrelated to the post, assaults on Christ, and simple attempts to plant seeds of contempt for good people.

          So yea, based on your 250 comments, you should count yourself fortunate.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          And I have told you before, this is not a garbage dump site for your vile innuendos and mockery of Christ, His word, and His people.

          Once more, your own words condemn you.

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  9. tellthetruth1 says:

    Caught this via a Reblog! It’s awesome. Your faith and way of sharing the Truth is awesome. Well, at least the Bible did warn that He had nothing in His appearance so that we would desire Him, (from Isaiah 52:2). But for us who believe, thank God our Father that we DO desire Him. I couldn’t survive without Him.

    Christian love to you 🙂

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Nice gift you returned by way of a compliment. Thank you. Be sure to give a heads up to the re-blogger who will appreciate you liking the post too.

      Yes, God’s word is good, and we should make it personal however we can; tkx too for the blessing, I’ll gladly accept it!

      Please do not sing my praises to much, cause I’ll be sure to disappoint some day soon. 😉

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  10. ColorStorm says:

    In the ‘new and improved’ mind of the unbelieving elite, there is absolutely no room for the word of God in the mind or heart, and every piece of scripture will be mocked, challenged, or ignored.

    At the end of the day, your reference of Alexander will have more relevance than the Creator and His infallible proofs. Yes, people hate God and His word that much to deny Him, while they try to hide from the consequences of their sin.

    Good comment Eliza

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    • tildeb says:

      What on earth are on about, CS? Do you hate the Easter Bunny and Zeus? Do you intentionally try avoid the consequences of this blasphemy? I’m as fond of your Jesus as you probably are of the Easter Bunny. But that doesn’t mean I have to ‘hate’ either in order to think neither is an historical figure. I let evidence from reality indicate how much or little confidence to place in such claims. That’s all.

      You make no indication of understanding those with whom you disagree with this kind of intentional misrepresentation.

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      • archaeopteryx1 says:

        I don’t see your comment anywhere, Tildeb – are you aware that CS has begun “moderating,” censoring our comments, so that only those that agree with his BS get through? This one won’t either, but at least YOU’ll get it, WP will see to that!

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      • ColorStorm says:

        Sorry Tildeb,

        Any man who calls the Lord Jesus Christ a liar is in fact hating, (intense dislike or ill will)

        Any man who blasphemes Christ is hating. (intense dislike or ill will)

        Any man who says Stephen the Christian deserved to be stoned to death is hating. (intense dislike or ill will)

        There is no misrepresentation, perhaps you are confusing that emotion with ‘conviction,’ and that is a good thing.

        It is a fine thing to arrested by God

        .

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        • tildeb says:

          I simply pointed out that was reported to have two things that were incompatible. Blasphemy is, of course, only in the ears of a religious believer so that’s your assignment to me. I never mentioned Stephen the Christian in my life… until this very moment but if people were supporting the law and stoning Stephen then it sounds suspiciously like they were upholding it. And if gospel accounts are accurate, then Jesus did willingly and knowing break the law by not condemning the male adulter along with the female he then forgave. Hey, it’s YOU who claims every word of the bible is true… not me. Pointing out a very few of its very many inconsistencies is hardly the character flaw you presume it to be.

          So yeah, there is a lot of misrepresentation being done by you – and in spite of my many unheeded corrections – to arrive the false conclusions you do… that I ‘hate’ Jesus (I don’t), that I try to avoid the consequences of not believing as you do (I willingly accept my ownership and responsibility of my own intellectual integrity, thank you very much, and am quite capable of assigning various degrees of confidence to claims by allowing reality and not other people’s faith-based belief to inform these decisions). Your conviction is simply insufficient for me to trust and your demonstrated inability to alter your misconceptions is rather an important mark against trusting your convictions.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          As you did not mention Stephen, neither did I mention ‘Tildeb’ as to hate. I said ‘people.’

          It is you who are seeking validation to your unbelief, by perpetually avoiding that which you deny, namely, the claims of Christ upon your soul, which by the way, I do not have to prove to you.

          ‘Hatred stirreth up strife.’ Proverbs 10.

          Consider this:

          People come into this house, tell me my music is not music, tell me I need to prove the music to them, cast aspersion upon the maestro, ridicule the violin maker, insult my guests, (some of whom are highly esteemed) find fault with a God they neither believe not respect, and somehow, MY conviction is insufficient for you to trust?

          That’s your problem not mine. I can no more explain the color blue to a blind man. Some things I can’t help ya with, but I can point you in the right direction, which I, and many others, have.

          And you fail to see the strife? Maybe you should revisit the comments over the past few months.

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        • tildeb says:

          Hey, CS, if you don’t want to have any rebuttals to your accusations and corrections to your misrepresentations, just say the word! But it is lone voice of disagreement that often is the one voice we need to hear the most… but I suspect you don’t really grasp that notion because you really don’t grasp why free speech is so important to you… so that you don’t help fashion the very rod, so speak, that will lay your back open.

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  11. David says:

    “And if gospel accounts are accurate, then Jesus did willingly and knowing break the law by not condemning the male adulter along with the female he then forgave.”

    That’s an interesting thought. At the time of the alleged incident, Jesus had not “fulfilled” anything yet, so the Law was still fully in effect. The law had not been changed one jot. So, it would be breaking the law if the men DIDN’T stone the woman and the man. Interesting.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Maybe you missed the ‘title’ of the post…

      And maybe Eliza will be happy to add to this for your sake. In the meantime, read the Entire New Testament.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      David:
      Tildeb
      arch-

      -Out of your own mouths you have said you do not believe the bible is God’s word.

      -Therefore, you CANNOT understand it. Kinda simple.

      People that believe God’s word can see through the veneer of hypocrisy as you perpetually cast aspersion and create mischief, when you know in your heart of hearts, that NO ANSWER WILL EVER BE ACCEPTABLE.

      Believers know this of you.

      Have you noticed the TITLE of this post?

      Again, if you do not believe Genesis 1.1 ‘In the beginning God…………..’ why in God’s name would you care about anything else in the book………….

      unless, you enjoy disruption at the expense of your own unbelief.

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      • tildeb says:

        Because I think you need to hear why others do not believe as you do… for exactly the same reasons you have for not believing in all kind of other claims: for a lack of compelling reasons.

        Another way to say it is that IF god wanted scripture to be revelatory (and, to be clear, I have read many bible versions) then why create a means so full of contradictions as well as lacking original documentation? It’s a really poor method. One might think an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, omniscient interactive creator god would come a little better prepared.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Contradictions? Not a one.

          God’s word is not for the careless of mind, or sloppy of heart. Comparing scripture WITH scripture takes effort, and most people are lazy readers.

          It takes work, and a heart without an ego. The proof is there.

          https://thenakedtruth2.wordpress.com/2014/12/06/epicurus-is-god/

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        • tildeb says:

          You’ve never even read Genesis? I find that hard to believe, CS. Didn’t you notice that the two accounts here disagree on the order of creation? I hate to be the bearer of such Bad News! but both cannot be correct. Hence, a contradiction is born in scripture. But how many contradictions are there really?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Satan knows more bible than you ever will, and he is helpless when it comes to finding fault.

          Your sordid tale of ‘errors’ is hilarious.’ To any body without bias, the order of creation is explained perfectly.

          Your desire of an ‘eternal ping pong match’ is seen and exposed. God’s word needs no defense.

          Ever heard of justification by works?
          Ever heard of justification by faith?

          Save yourself the time of saying there are contradictions in scripture.

          By the way, if a person didn’t believe 2 plus 2 equals 4, and wanted to become a draftsman, it would be rather stupid for him to study calculus.

          Yet, here you are, trying to find fault with calculus.

          2 plus 2 equals four is basic. Genesis is the basics. Your thinking it is three does not make it correct. The error is in your addition.

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          “If a man, holding a belief which he was taught in childhood, or persuaded of afterward, keeps down and pushes away any doubts which arise about it in his mind, purposely avoids the reading of books and the company of men that call in question or discuss it…the life of that man is one long sin against mankind.”
          — William Kingdon Clifford —

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        • ColorStorm says:

          ‘Now in the last days there will be mockers, covetous, PROUD, blasphemers.’

          ‘shun profane and vain babblings……….
          the word of God

          And Mr Clifford is dead, God is still God, His word is still good, and like Mr Clifford, the likes of ALL men, including you, will stand before the Lord of glory, without excuse, it is an appointment you cannot hide from.

          …because you received not the love of the truth, Why? Because men loved darkness. Why? Because their deeds are evil

          Btw, Mr Clifford does you a favor by mentioning sin. Now what are you going to do about it?

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  12. David says:

    “In the meantime, read the Entire New Testament.”

    Ah, so no answer then. Ok.

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  13. David says:

    “Out of your own mouths you have said you do not believe the bible is God’s word. Therefore, you CANNOT understand it.”

    Nonsense. The Bible is a written text, and can be read and evaluated just like any other text can be read and evaluated. Your statement is just an easy way to duck the questions, problems and contradictions in the text.

    Oh,but if only we knew how to look, we could see the emperor’s new clothes, too, right?

    “You know in your heart of hearts, that NO ANSWER WILL EVER BE ACCEPTABLE.”

    More nonsense. There are plenty of things in the Bible that I can accept as accurate, and much of it is quite valuable. However, there are also big problems. There just are. It’s not a matter of my “heart of hearts.”

    For example, a global flood didn’t happen and that’s a matter of geology, not my heart.

    You know in your “heart of hearts” that there are major problems with the Bible. That’s why you flap your arms and respond so defensively with statements that end the discussion such as “therefore, you cannot understand it.” You have no answers to questions, so you dive into your fallout shelter and slam the door shut behind you.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      David said this:

      Nonsense. The Bible is a written text, and can be read and evaluated just like any other text can be read and evaluated. Your statement is just an easy way to duck the questions, problems and contradictions in the text.

      God said this:

      But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM, because they are spiritually discerned.’

      Hmmm, wonder who I am going to believe, David or God, um, er, ah, let’s see, I guess i’ll go with God.’

      Your whole post can be interpreted right here right now, just as I (we ) have been telling you.

      The word of God IS NOT like any other book.

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      • tildeb says:

        CS, I see you’ve never encountered the Holy Napkin that reveals that, the napkin religion is the one true religion because it says so right here on this napkin. Now whom am I going to go with? Some anonymous guy on the internet who uses the identical reasoning about believing his Bible or this napkin?

        I’m torn!

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  14. Eliza says:

    Hi David! As always, context is so important. You, of course, left off the main point of why the religious leaders brought the adulteress to him, it wasn’t for justice, it was to trap Jesus Christ. They wanted to prove that He didn’t come to save sinners, but rather to condemn them. They also would prove that He was a law breaker, one of their main contentions against Him, because He didn’t uphold their idea of the Sabbath, if He didn’t hold the woman accountable and judge her. Being God, the Son of God, they couldn’t trap Him. He instead turned the tables on them and told them if they were without sin they could then cast the first stone. How many of those men were visiting prostitutes, committing adultery, involved in extortion or bribery, caught up in any type of sin. The result? They were convicted by their consciences and left one by one. Finally the woman was left and Jesus asked if any of them had condemned her. She let Him know that no one had condemned her and He said, neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more. (John 8:1-11) The men who wanted to accuse Him had nothing but their own guilty consciences which I am sure the Lord helped to prick their hearts with their evil deeds. So instead of anything to accuse Jesus with they themselves were accused by their own evil deeds and the woman was forgiven by God, that act of sheer mercy and grace. Praise God for His great grace to us! That is the grace of God on grand display to any and all who will see and believe.

    Really it is child’s play for any child of God through faith in Jesus Christ filled with His Holy Spirit loving the Lord Jesus and knowing His Word to answer those who are children of the enemy led by their own sinful natures and the supposed craftiness of the devil to prove that they are just futilely swinging at the air when they try to bring disrepute to the glorious name of our Beloved Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and His inimitable Word the Bible.

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    • David says:

      “You, of course, left off the main point of why the religious leaders brought the adulteress to him, it wasn’t for justice, it was to trap Jesus Christ.”

      I understand your point, and yes, context is important. However, the motivation of the religious leaders is not relevant here. The Law is the Law, even if the enforcer have ulterior motives.

      For a thousand years, no stoner had been without sin. Regardless, sentences of stoning were, and had to be, carried out. Didn’t matter if they felt bad about it, didn’t matter if they were “convicted by their consciences,” the Law was the Law, and God says that the Law must be upheld. There is no provision in Leviticus that says that the stoner must be without sin, so by adding this provision, Jesus was changing and subverting the Law. This something that Jesus had explicitly said that he was not there to do.

      (For those worried about contradictions, the good news is that this event probably never happened as it was a later addition to John, and I don’t believe the story if found in other gospels. So, you can ignore it if you like.)

      “Really it is child’s play for any child of God through faith in Jesus Christ filled with His Holy Spirit loving the Lord Jesus and knowing His Word to answer those who are children of the enemy led by their own sinful natures and the supposed craftiness of the devil to prove that they are just futilely swinging at the air when they try to bring disrepute to the glorious name of our Beloved Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and His inimitable Word the Bible.”

      Congratulation on having the longest sentence in the comment thread! So, do you think that the Earth was covered by a global flood about 4500 years ago? Just wondering how you interpret the Bible.

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      • Eliza says:

        Since you are just doing what comes naturally to you, that is, you are expressing your hatred of God, which is bound up in the heart of the natural man, the sinner, you missed the most important point of my reply to your post, which is the grace of God through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Since He is the Lord of glory and the giver of the law, He can and does forgive whom ever He chooses, and He chose to forgive the adulteress. Throughout the Scriptures, the Holy Word of God, the Bible, we see God’s mercy, grace and forgiveness given to those who didn’t deserve it. So, instead of sitting in judgment of God’s goodness and grace, it would be to your benefit to be amazed and marvel, because He offers that same grace and forgiveness to you, a sinner.

        Your world view, or believe system is cultic and driven by foolishness. The fool has said in his heart their is no God. Atheism is the result of man’s sinful motivation to disavow any knowledge of the Almighty God so they can continue in sin. It is driven by the enemy of our souls, the devil. This disbelief in God as He is revealed to us in nature, in our consciences, in Scripture, and through His Son Jesus Christ has a rich history of visiting evil upon the poor victims of the governments that have embraced it. Communism has a shameful history of slaughtering around 100 million people. This is the evil legacy of what you are espousing. Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior warned us about this evil in the gospel of John: 10 “The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. John 10:10 This is the legacy of any false teaching, heresy, false religious system, or cult, destruction and death.

        You attack the Bible as if it were any other book. This is the behavior of those who hate God. You will notice that we who are born again through repentant faith in Jesus Christ always refer to Him, rather than the text. That is because He found us and rescued us. He has given us eternal life and no man will snatch us out of His hand. We have met the living God of glory and know Him personally. Therefore, when you attack His Word to His children we know that you are attacking Him. Therefore we will always refer to our God and Savior in our response to you. You know, you should be careful about your attacks upon Jesus Christ and His Word, you exist simply at His pleasure and that existence can be extinguished at any time, and you don’t want to go where you are going which is eternal fire in hell.

        I do.

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  15. David says:

    You start with the assumption that the Bible is God-given, absolutely perfect, infallible and flawless. What is it happens that this is not so? How could you tell? How could you discern this?

    As previously discussed, you are not omniscient. Therefore, your assumptions could be wrong. But if you eliminate this possibility from the start, then you have no means by which you can determine that you are in error.

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  16. David says:

    “2 plus 2 equals is the basics. Genesis is the basics. Your thinking it is three does not make it correct. The error is in your addition.”

    I love the way you keep returning to 2 + 2 = 4, when in fact, your way of thinking is much like Winston Smith’s. Smith came to be believe the 2 + 2 = 5, because that’s what Big Brother said.

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  17. Eliza says:

    I did respond to your questions about that text but you refuse to accept that this is the biblical answer. You demand that Christ uphold the law, but He did uphold the law, He did so by dying in the place of the adulteress taking the punishment that she deserved so that He could forgive her, since He is God. See, that is the heart of the Bible, God reconciling to Himself sinners who have broken His just law. Jesus Christ, God the Son of God died in our stead taking the punishment that we deserve for breaking the law of God so that we can be forgiven and reconciled to God. Then He arose from the dead proving that He is the Messiah who is victorious over sin, death, Satan, and is the Author of eternal salvation to all who repent of their sin and believe in Him. So that passage that intrigues you so much portends both Christ’s judgment of sinners, those who reject Him, and His forgiveness of sinners, those who receive Him.

    The Bible is not the product of the human mind, study it and you will see that is an impossibility. First and foremost, over and over again it bears witness that it is the Word of the Living God. Second there are detailed prophesies that have been exactly fulfilled. Third, the unity of the whole would be impossible if it were not of divine origin because it was written over 1600 years, by different peoples from different backgrounds, nations and languages. Fourth, the testimony of those who believe what it says bears witness that it is the Word of God because they are transformed from sinners to those who believe in God and live for His glory, doing good to those around them. Fifth, those nations that have been founded upon the tenets of the Scriptures are more fair and prosperous than those that have been founded upon any other foundation. Sixth, great numbers of those who have followed Jesus Christ and put into practice His Words have left a legacy of doing good to society and individuals. Seventh, the Bible is the only text that explains Creation and why there is so much trouble and turmoil in this world. Eighth, much of the progress that we enjoy is due to the research and understanding of men from the sciences who believed in God and believed in an orderly physical realm. Ninth, the sublime nature of the Bible, its testimony of God and His goodness, is without equal. Tenth, the testimony to the life and words of Jesus Christ that are found in the Bible have impacted this world and have brought in greater justice, fairness and love. Eleventh, the nation Israel is still God’s chosen people and He has dealt with them just as He promised in the Scriptures. Twelfth, there is the stability given to the individual that knows God through His Son Jesus Christ, that justice will prevail upon this earth when Christ comes to establish His kingdom physically here and reign from Jerusalem and so the reign of terror and evil propagated by godless men will cease and we will enter into blessed peace and love.

    Since the Bible is the truth, and God’s Word to all is to repent and believe in His Son Jesus Christ, any other doctrine that deviates from His truth is cultic and is driven by the devil. Oh, by the way, you didn’t address the point that godless nations steal from, kill and destroy their populace. That is the legacy of atheism. It is brutal and ugly. The light of the gospel of God brings joy, peace, love and God’s protection to all who believe and obey the truth about Jesus Christ. Since there is such a stark contrast between the two I am surprised that one of your intelligence would be so easily deceived into believing and fighting for a lie.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      This is very very good Eliza. A true reverence for the living God and the written word.
      You encapsulated the essence of the law being fulfilled masterfully, and a tremendous portrait of the unending truths of scripture. Well done.

      Hope you David also find light in this comment, keeping in mind the theme ‘Nobody special….

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  18. Eliza says:

    The system of sacrifice instituted with the law made the way for sinners to be cleansed, temporarily of their sin. Yes, there was justice through the law, but there was also mercy and grace.

    13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrews 9:13-15

    27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:27-28

    10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. Hebrews 10:10-14

    Jesus Christ’s death is and was efficacious for all who repent of their sin and put their faith in Him. Time frame is of no consequence since His death was one time for all time for all. God dying for the sins of the world is the only way for sinners to be reconciled to Him since the offense is so egregious and brings about eternal damnation. The fact of hell, is God’s justice poured out upon those who sin against Him and reject His provision of forgiveness. There should be a healthy fear of hell, just as there should be a healthy fear of anything that can destroy us. There should also be a healthy fear of God since each of us live at His pleasure and are brought to account for all of our ungodly actions against Him, if we have not found the forgiveness of Christ. God has provided sufficient witness to who He is, His greatness, glory and power. It is the sinner’s nature to suppress the truth in unrighteousness. That is your job and you are working hard at it, but your godless views in no way disprove or bring into doubt His existence or that He has given us His Word so that we can know Him and live for Him.

    18 For the wrath of God is revealed fro heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, Romans 1:18-20

    All nations have committed atrocities against others because that is the nature of man. A “Christian” nation is in no way immune to the deceits of sin, however, communism has done exceedingly well at destroying the populace, because it is based upon a system of godlessness.

    Again, yes, I do believe in the worldwide flood that is taught in Genesis and believed by all those who testify of it in the Scriptures and those who know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. What you believe is of no consequence to me since you are a lost sinner who is doing the only thing that you can do. Just know that I was once like you, but then I met the Living, Risen Christ and He transformed my life.

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    • David says:

      “The system of sacrifice instituted with the law made the way for sinners to be cleansed, temporarily of their sin.

      And this system was clearly subverted while it was still in operation by an individual who stated that he would not subvert this system. Temporary or not, the system was in effect and Jesus broke it after saying that he wouldn’t. I’m not deliberately trying to be difficult or ignoring what you are saying. These are simply the facts of the matter as recorded in the infallible Bible.

      “Jesus Christ’s death is and was efficacious for all who repent of their sin and put their faith in Him.”

      So, to repent of my sins, I have ask Jesus to forgive me and I have to put my faith in Jesus, correct? This is the only way, correct?

      “A “Christian” nation is in no way immune to the deceits of sin, however, communism has done exceedingly well at destroying the populace, because it is based upon a system of godlessness.”

      Ok, so Christian nations destroy the populace and godless nations destroy the populace. Seems like a toss up to me. Besides, there are plenty of “godless nations” in operation today that don’t seem the least bit inclined to destroy the populace. So, your correlation is a rather weak one.

      “Again, yes, I do believe in the worldwide flood that is taught in Genesis.”

      Ok, well, if that’s what the Bible says, then it’s wrong. QED,

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      • Eliza says:

        You have been going around and around with your argument, but as with all those who are false you took that verse out of context. We have to look at the context to understand what Jesus Christ said.

        17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets, I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-20

        First, why did He say that one jot or tittle from the law would not pass until all was fulfilled? What needed to be fulfilled? Why did He emphasize the law here? Jesus Christ did so because of the Pharisees setting up their own false standards of righteousness and of course everyone thought that Jesus would agree with the Pharisees because they were the “approved religious leaders”. They set aside the Law of God for their own traditions. (Matthew 16) The law was held in disrepute by the Pharisees and they used God’s law for their own justification and aggrandizement. Your example is a good case in point because they brought to Him just the woman, whereas the law says the man and the woman shall be stoned. So they, the Pharisees brought the adulteress to Him under false pretenses to bolster their reputation with the people. He was under no obligation to them to answer them, and He chose to forgive the woman, this is the prerogative of God. Since Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets His choice to forgive this woman was perfectly lawful. His forgiveness of this woman should give all hope that He can and will forgive their sins if they repent of their sins and put their faith in Him.

        When Jesus Christ came He fulfilled the prophets. The prophets pointed to His coming to be the sacrifice for sins. His sacrifice was/is sufficient for all to be saved from their sins. Yes, if you repent of your sin and put your faith in Him you will be saved. Yes, He is the only way to have your sins forgiven and be reconciled to God the Father.

        Why isn’t the worldwide flood true? What makes you think it didn’t happen?

        11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. Genesis 7:11

        The fountains of the great deep being broken up would explain the breaking apart of Pangaea into the present day continents. Water covering the whole earth would explain the shell fossils found in the Andes. Water covering the whole earth would explain the water lap marks that are obvious when one flies over the mesas and plateaus of the Southwest. Sedimentation at the tops of mountains would be explained by a world-wide flood. The sudden burying of animals in a jumble in the soft sediments of churned up soil would explain the fossil finds that are extant. Dead creatures must be quickly covered by massive amounts of sediment for the process of petrification. A world wide flood would provide the necessary conditions for fossilization to take place. The world-wide flood is also a promise to us that God will judge this world once again, but this next time by fire, and then praise God, He will bring in new heavens and a new earth where righteousness dwells. Wouldn’t you love to live in a world without hatred, murder, strife, war, and all manner of evil? God promises to bring this about in His time.

        5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded by water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men…. 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. 2 Peter 3:5-7 & 13

        Those who reject God and the biblical account of creation have a lot of explaining to do. Like how does order, purpose, and complexity arise accidentally out of nothing? How does life spontaneously appear? How can non-directed random forces bring about the beauty, order, and wonder that we have all around us? Do you know that the probability of chance generating a 200 part integrated system is 1 chance out of 10 E 375? That is one chance out of 10 followed by 375 zeros. This is a problem since there are only 10 E 80 electrons in the known universe. It must be remembered when Darwin came up with his theory of evolution little was known about the cell and Mendel had not proposed his laws of inheritance. With the advent of more sophisticated instrumentation much has been learned about the complexity of life and confidence in the theory of evolution is losing steam within the scientific community.

        Here is a quote by one who chose not to believe in God regarding origins:

        When it comes to the origin of life on this earth, there are only two possibilities: creation or spontaneous generation (evolution). There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved 100 years ago, (by Pasteur, one of my heroes) but that leads us only to one other conclusion: that of supernatural creation. We cannot accept that on philosophical grounds (personal reasons); therefore, we choose to believe the impossible: that life arose spontaneously by chance.

        These words came from George Wald, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate.

        Yeah, you go ahead and choose the communists who killed about 100 million of their citizens, which doesn’t include all those they subjected to enslavement and those who starved because of their harsh repressive policies. Obviously you are ignorant of history otherwise you wouldn’t boast such foolish statements.

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      • David says:

        “He chose to forgive the woman, this is the prerogative of God.”

        Can God forgive me if I don’t ask for forgiveness?

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  19. Eliza says:

    Did God ever forgive anyone guilty of adultery in the history recorded in the Bible? Yes, He did, that would be David. God also forgave David for murder. The forgiveness given to David was based upon the future work of Jesus Christ. Since God dwells in eternity, the work done by Christ at a specific time doesn’t limit applying His divine work on behalf of the sinner. Forgiving the woman for her adultery, again, was God’s prerogative based upon the work that Jesus Christ did on the cross for all sinners, so that includes you David. Yes, He can and will forgive you if you repent of your sin and put your faith in Him. Jesus Christ Himself didn’t commit sin, He forgave one who committed sin which He could justly do since He was the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. Praise God for His grace given to us in Christ Jesus.

    Regarding creation, you are just arguing for arguments sake.. Jesus Christ is the Creator of the world as declared in the Gospel of John. There are many scientists who reject evolution and see it as impeding the progress of research and understanding our world. Case in point: progress in the study of plant communication was retarded by decades because the data didn’t match what was expected based upon evolution.

    The Nazis were not mostly Christians, the German people were Lutherans. The Lutheran Church is the state church in Germany. Luther never gave up all of the false teaching of the Catholic church and he attacked the Jews in his writings. The bedrock of faith in Christ as taught in the Bible had already pretty much been gutted from the Lutheran Church in Germany by her doctors starting in the 1700’s. So-called faith in Germany pretty much was and is a hodgepodge with much relying upon deism. When any government makes a particular denomination the state church then the truth is sure to be under attack and danger is around the corner. Hitler and his hooligans were not Christian by any stretch of the imagination, and they used the state religion as a means to manipulate the people. The people of German should have been smarter, but they were demoralized by their defeat in WWI and reeling under economic ruin that was institutionalized by the Treaty of Versailles. They were ripe for Hitler and his evil lies. No the Nazis were not Christians, that is those who repent of their sins and place their faith in the biblical Jesus Christ, they were evil opportunists who wanted to subjugate the world to their particular Aryan world view, that they were the master race. You know any people are liable to this sort of deceit when they look to men to save them and/or they follow a false belief system that degrades the rest of humanity.

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  20. ColorStorm says:

    I have no desire to ‘scrutinize’ your references of God haters, Christ deniers, word of God doubters, and liars posing as scholars, and all the endless assaults on truth.

    If you however care to scrutinize what is written here, be my guest, but try to stick to the content, and post your bastardized accounts of history, scripture, and bias, elsewhere.

    Again, you may want to read the comment policy.

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  21. Eliza says:

    Praise God for His goodness and mercy to those who have repented of their sins and put their faith in Jesus Christ that they are His. Yes, He did forgive King David because He chose him. That didn’t mean that King David didn’t suffer terrible consequences for his sins. That just means he wasn’t stoned. There were others who were forgiven for equally serious sins, one such individual who comes to mind was Rahab the harlot who wasn’t even a Jew, but she believed God and He saved her and gave her a new life. God saves whom He chooses. He might ever choose to save you.

    My comment about your arguing was what you said about my declaration that God created the universe and all that is in it. You said I was arguing for deism and not Christianity. I answered that Jesus Christ is the Creator according to the gospel of John. And yes you are arguing just for arguments sake because of course I subscribe to the truth that the God of the Bible created all that we see and He gave the account of Creation in the book of Genesis. The fact of Creation is our strongest point and the deficits of evolution underline the weakness of your argument. You, of course, never addressed the strongest portions of my argument because you know that you have no legs to stand on.

    By the way, if you were involved with that research, plant communication, what year was it conducted and what were the results? And how could evolution really explain the mechanism by which this sophisticated process arose?

    As far as what you said in response to my clarification about the Germans and the Nazis, I went into detail, you just serve up libel and slander. Yes, there is the visible church, which is not necessarily the true church of Jesus Christ, but then there are also those who are truly saved by divine supernatural intervention and so belong to Christ Jesus through repentant faith in Him and the work that He did on the cross. It is not wise to lump everything into one category when there are genuine and decided differences.

    As far as scientists who reject the theory of evolution, most don’t have to really deal with it too much other than give it a passing nod. But when they come out of the fog of career and daily living and realize that the theory explains nothing they reject it out of hand. I’m sure the rejection would be much more commonplace if those with power within the scientific community didn’t wield the crushing blow of removal from career path for those who question their unsubstantiated darling theory that is rife with willful manipulation and lies to try and make it seem true.

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  22. Eliza says:

    Beloved brethren, domestic and work duties call so I will leave contending for the faith once for all delivered to the saints to your capable hands as you are empowered by your love for Christ Jesus, His Word, your brothers and sisters, and by the indwelling Holy Spirit. Thank you for the opportunity to share the truth. God bless you:)

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