Moses never lived, so what

Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth. It is no surprise at the attacks on this man of God as if he was irrelevant or non- existent.

This is the sum of the tabernacle, even of the tabernacle of testimony, as it was counted, according to the commandment of Moses, for the service of the Levites, by the hand of Ithamar, son to Aaron the priest. And Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah, made all that the LORD commanded Moses. And with him was Aholiab, son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan, an engraver, and a cunning workman, and an embroiderer in blue, and in purple, and in scarlet, and fine linen.

When the arch-enemy of God came along with a whisper in the garden of delight, the existence of God was never an issue. The devil is not stupid to cloak the obvious. Beguile is the correct word which has sadly been refined over time. Indeed, he is a tactician.

Some Many have said Moses was a fictional character. Kind of strange really to advance an idea that even the devil himself would not touch; yet he certainly could suggest it to others who are more than happy to do his bidding.

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Sure, do away with Sinai, the law, the covenants, the promises of God, the services of God, the tabernacle, the adoption, the glory; conveniently dismiss he who died at 120 years old having his natural strength not abated, nor his eye sight undimmed; and while there is playing in the sandbox of unbelief and arrogance, insolence and depravity, just say Aaron was a mirage as well.

But the wise-crack is more insidious than challenging the life and times of a man. The integrity of heaven is also mocked, as if God is put on trial for His creation of life in general, the preserving of His word in particular, and the life of Moses specifically.

Say the man of God Moses never lived, and one kinda says the Lord Jesus Christ is a  liar; (perish the thought and strike these words from the page) say Moses never lived, and Peter, James, and John are cited as delusional, for they were eyewitness of the majesty of Christ, where both Moses and Elijah appeared with him, and spoke ahem, of His EXODUS, that’s right, (Greek for decease) which He should accomplish at Jerusalem.

You may want to allow this thought to sink in; they spoke of ‘HIS  exodus, which HE should accomplish, at Jerusalem. Oh yes, and quite a ‘going out’ it was,  leading to Calvary’s tree, and coming from the tomb first rising, then ascending, sitting, and sending. And who does the King lead but they who are called out?

No Moses eh?  and once more you have the Lord Himself participating in a ‘routine meal’ in the upper room with his friends celebrating the last passover. Might as well take your great eraser and remove the Feast of tabernacles, the Feast of unleavened bread, Pentecost, the day of Atonement, and the Feast of trumpets.  No Moses? No lamb, no blood, no frogs, lice, hail, and no death of the first-born. It must be wonderful to have history erasing power.

No law given through Moses? Hmmm, no grace and truth given by Jesus Christ either. Once more strike this word from the page.

No Moses in the flesh huh? Okaaaay. So he who was a servant, a prophet, a priest, a shepherd, a mediator, an intercessor, a builder, and also a judge,  somehow escaped the notice of the human race. Well done, a  convenient attempt to dismiss the credentials of Christ, for He was much more than Moses, as God in the flesh.

Sure do away with Moses, and the life of Joshua is erased. Presto, gone. What the heck, may as well say Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob never lived either. But why stop: there were no twelve sons, no twelve tribes, no Benjamin, no King David, no wisdom of Solomon, no King Saul, no tribe of Judah, and again, it all leads to the dismissal of the Lord Christ, and people’s hatred of His glory and truth.  Yea, good luck with that.

Yep, that great sinner and saint Saul of Tarsus, also of the tribe of Benjamin, that learned Pharisee of the strictest sect who sat at Gamaliel’s feet, who was astute in the law of Moses, but who explained more perfectly the grace of God, he too either did not live, or was part and parcel of continuing the eternal lie. Oh my, while the devil knows better than to challenge the life and times of Moses, he surely tries to cast aspersion and doubt on scripture.  Sorry, no can do.

Perhaps you have read of the so-called scholars who have ‘proved’ (insert slight chuckle) Moses was a myth, citing, cough cough, a lack of evidence. Just like there is no evidence it snowed a thousand years ago I suppose.  Yea, okay.

Not only do the genealogies of Matthew and Luke preserve and protect the lives of men and women, they verify the law of Moses as sure as the sun.

‘For the law (may I remind you of not ten, but 613 commandments) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things……’ says the Hebrew writer speaking of better things brought through Christ, has been a great instructor in proving man’s shortcomings, but also a wonderful harbinger of the grace of God.

There was a dispute about the burial of Moses, and God in His infinite wisdom prevented a shrine from being made lest people worship the grave of Moses, and yet again, the devil crawled away having nothing. God is not the God of the dead but of the living.

So you say Moses never lived and so what? It is easier to believe Moses lived and died than to believe YOU will live to see tomorrow.

A group of men pleaded the Lord for ‘proof’ of His word and doings as being from above. The Lord answered:

 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

This is precisely the argument Paul the apostle made in Antioch of Pisidia as a visitor. He sat patiently on the sabbath in the synagogue, and rose to speak when invited to do so. He referenced Moses, and testified  what he knew in the scriptures of truth, and how the entire word of God speaks of the son of God, the Messiah, the Christ of God as revealed in the law and the prophets.

Such is the strength, reliability, and unimpeachable testimony of scripture.

Try to hide from the effects of law from an all-wise God; sure, ignore history and paint a canvas minus the lives of they who had the greatest influence on life; ignore geography such as Jericho, Tel Abib, Eden, Sodom, Gadara, Nazareth, Bethlehem; ignore the specific instructions in the building of the tabernacle with the exacting craftsmanship; ignore the reviving of the Hebrew language after a hundred generations, ignore the promise of God to preserve Israel with an oath as good as the light of the moon; ignore the catalogue of men and women who all died with faith intact in the living God; ignore Daniel the prophet, Jeremiah, Isaiah, the baptist, ignore the people of history who would embarrass the miscreants of today with their character; ignore God’s written revelation of your caustic commentary of His word; ignore the other worldly hatred of nations toward Israel; ignore the effects of sin and proof in the lives of men; ignore the blindness of a world bent on displacing the Creator from his very universe; and ignore the obvious assaults on all that is good, pure, and decent.

There is nothing new under the sun, for ‘seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.’ The same resource people had thousands of years ago, is the same resource we have today: the sure word of God.

A man may be able to whiteout a mistake on a piece of  8 x 11, but one cannot blot out the truth from the bone and marrow from humanity. Moses lives. The Lord Christ agrees. Scripture proves man’s hardness of heart, and scripture demands our attention.

For a person to conclude the man Moses never lived, is to walk through life with zero credibility in areas which have forever been settled.

Yes, the arrows of doubt, delusion, and decadence always fall short, but: ‘Thou wilt keep Him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on Thee.’

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180 Responses to Moses never lived, so what

  1. john zande says:

    Jesus naming Moses doesn’t mean he was a liar. To lie requires the person to know they are telling a falsehood. Jesus simply didn’t know basic regional history… He didn’t know Moses was a literary invention of the 6th and 7th Century BCE. That’s all.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Please John, your song of unbelief is old.

      HE WHO IS THE TRUTH is not, and cannot, be mistaken. You can soft pedal all you want. but you have left massive footprints of denialism here and beyond.

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      • john zande says:

        Merely correcting your mistake in saying Jesus was a liar. He wasn’t. Far from it. He simply didn’t know basic regional history. That’s not his “fault.” He can’t be held accountable for the mistake as he was only repeating the stories told to him.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Perhaps John you may understand WHY the Lord was mute before Pontius Pilate when asked: “What is truth.’ Your comment here is mild compared to what you say at, ahem, your own place among the biblically challenged, but still, a hopeless one.

          With this as your point of reference, others may be inclined to engage with you. Your insolence toward God and scripture is boundless.

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        • john zande says:

          And again, Jesus wasn’t lying… he simply didn’t know basic regional history. That’s all. No crime there.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Your stentorian silence john regarding the entirety of ACTS chapter 7 (from ahem yesterday) is revealing, and relevant once more.

          You and your so-called learned friends have come up short. The ones you praise are the same ones found in contempt of heaven and the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

          It is useless to defend your Denials.
          (with a smile to ib22)

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    • archaeopteryx1 says:

      I think, John, what you mean is that the anonymous, superstitious, scientifically-ignorant Iron Age men who wrote that Jesus said what he is quoted as saying, although they weren’t there and never met him, simply didn’t know basic regional history.

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    • thetruthisstrangerthanfiction says:

      “Jesus simply didn’t know basic regional history… He didn’t know Moses was a literary invention of the 6th and 7th Century BCE. That’s all.”

      This whole, tired claim of Moses (and the law/history associated with him) being a “literary invention” of the Canaanite tribes who were allegedly already in the land, never ceases to amaze and amuse me.

      Right. This makes perfect sense doesn’t it! The Canaanites, who were sacrificing their children to Molech and Baal, having a grand old time dancing around the Asherah poles and having orgies under the groves, they suddenly decided to themselves, “I know, let’s invent a new God, who finds all this stuff we’re doing completely abhorrent and abominable, and let’s create a ‘Law’ from this fictional God which will effectively denounce us all as being worthy of death. Then let’s fail at obeying this fictional God, turning back to our pagan roots again and again, and ultimately be judged by having our children taken into captivity with hooks in their noses…”

      Sounds like just the sort of thing human beings would make up, just for the heck of it… Right?

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      • john zande says:

        Don’t be angry with facts. As Rabbi Sherwin Wine so eloquently put it: “Facts are facts. They are enormously discourteous.”

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        • thetruthisstrangerthanfiction says:

          (insert eye-rolling emoticon here….)

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        • john zande says:

          Hi Truth

          I’m serious, can you please provide the complete list of peer-reviewed archaeological papers you’ve read which support your belief that Moses was a real historical character. Could you also cite the publishing journal and date of publication so i can download the papers and read them for myself. This will help me understand where you’re coming from.

          Thanks in advance

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Make that a double roll tistf

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        • thetruthisstrangerthanfiction says:

          I realize you’re “serious”. Seriously reaching. As is any such “rabbi” or “scholar” or anyone else attempting to claim that archeology proves that Moses wasn’t a real person.. What a joke.

          Maybe academic accolades, peer-reviewed journals, published papers, etc., are something which you find terribly impressive. I don’t. Papers and journals and all the accoutrements of academia do not predicate truth. They only require one thing to exist, and that is funding, something which is in no short supply amongst those who are quite pre-disposed towards finding “conclusions” which would deny the authenticity of the Biblical record.

          In short, it’s a highly corruptible “science” which relies mainly on conjecture and presuppositions first.

          Having letters after one’s name, and getting something published in a “peer-reviewed” journal doesn’t magically make something authoritative…

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        • ColorStorm says:

          This answer is riding high as the comment of the week. Yep, what the heck, may as well give it to you now.

          (sorry jewels 😉

          You win a comment coupon, good anytime 😉

          Seriously though, truth is never contingent on popularity. Ask Saul of Tarsus, then Paul the apostle.

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        • thetruthisstrangerthanfiction says:

          Great point! It’s almost funny, isn’t it. Anytime someone throws a big “guffaw” at you, trying to say something along the lines of “don’t you know the ‘experts’ have already disproven all that nonsense!?”

          Do they really not realize that virtually the ENTIRE scope of the Biblical account involves “lowly” men and women who somehow chose to believe GOD instead of the “human experts” who thought they knew so much more than lowly slaves, and lowly shepherds, and lowly carpenters, fishermen, etc….? 😉

          (1 Corinthians 1 baby…)

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Yea, you have heard the Titanic was built by professionals and the ark by amateurs………….

          Truly the wisdom of the world is foolishness unto God.

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        • thetruthisstrangerthanfiction says:

          (btw… what do I get to do with a “comment coupon”..?)

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      • ColorStorm says:

        Same old tune isn’t it tistf. This thread could go on for months, years, decades, with still yet another excuse after useless excuse.

        Great comment by the way.

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        • john zande says:

          Colorstorm, and Truth

          Could you please provide the list of the peer-reviewed archaeological papers you’ve read, and their publishing journals, so I can also read them and review the evidence you are relying on to claim Moses was a real historical person.

          I look forward to reading them all.

          Thanks in advance.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          john-

          For the third time: the end of chapter 6, and all of Acts chapter 7. This is all the proof you need.

          Did you miss the line about the craft of the devil?

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Pretty weighty document and it was God reviewed

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Well done W.

          One smooth stone against every Goliath of unbelief from time to eternity.

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        • john zande says:

          I never knew Acts was referred to as a peer-reviewed archaeological paper?

          Interesting…. 😉

          Is that the only paper you’ve read, or have you more which you can now list? Please include the publishing journal and dates, too. Thanks.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Peer reviewed? Uh, yea. Stephen’s PEERS knew it was true.

          ONLY paper? Uh, yea. Only one relevant to this post.

          Publishing journal and date? Uh, the scriptures, forever settled in heaven. Timeless.

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        • john zande says:

          Colorstorm, who wrote the gospels, and when were they published? 😉

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Sorry jz, you will not dictate this convo; as you do at your place. I suggest you carry the mail over there, as your vain repetition is indeed tiresome.

          Moses was and is, as the post alludes, and there are top shelf comments here by others that need nothing further from me.

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        • john zande says:

          Yes, I’m sure you’re right. What is that they say about lying? If you tell a lie long enough, and often enough…. 😉

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        • ColorStorm says:

          And just how long now have you been convincing yourself there is no God?

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        • john zande says:

          Age nine. About 1.5 hours after my First Holy Communion, to be more accurate. That’s when I began to fully appreciate things weren’t exactly as the adults were saying.

          At what age did you decide to start willfully ignoring evidence-based reality? 😉

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        • ColorStorm says:

          You would be pleased to know that since your wonder inspiring eureka moment at a ripe age, God has still been God.

          You are responsible for your lack of eyesight, not adults. You cannot see God in the magnificence of the heavens or in the birth of a baby, I do feel sorry for you.

          To lay such grandeur at the feet of……………..nothing, is sad.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Here ya go, no charge:

          It’s much easier to believe Moses lived, than it is to believe you will live to see tomorrow.

          And God said, let there be light, and there was light.

          He made the stars also.

          He made Man, and WoMAN.

          There is only one person here denying reality.

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          BAZINGA!
          (sorry for the outburst – CS has it rigged so I can’t use the “LIKE” button –)

          EDIT observation:

          Does evilcraft come natural arch or do you need to work at it? Your lame charges fall short every time. In a court of law, the judge would have you dismissed in an instant for your false accusations.

          And I’m guessing atheism has nothing to do with your childish pranks. (Say goodbye to your other lame comments, as they lack any coherency or relevance. You may want to take your junk mail to your friends place where garbage is welcome)

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          I’ve clicked the “Like” button dozens of times, and it had never worked, so don’t tell me it isn’t deliberate sabotage!

          EDIT ahem:

          That’s nice. Of the millions of people who have WP issues, YOURS is being singled out as sabotage. Could it have something to do perhaps with your flood of comments where you over-load the server and where you create your own mischief? Or maybe WP knows your history, and has you on a leash….

          As was noted before a world wide audience 😉 I stand innocent, and your petty charge is revealed.

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          So I suppose all of my comments going to moderation is just a WP SNAFU as well – good to know – wouldn’t want to think you were just being malicious —

          “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
          — Mohandas Gandhi —

          EDIT NOTE_

          Hey arch, instead of your lame and baseless charges, why don’t you actually find out why your button does not work. Maybe WP disallows ‘likes’ from one moderated to another. Just sayin.

          Anyway, you are proving your history of trying to derail a post. I looooooove by the way how you quote someone such as Gandhi when it suits your purpose; otherwise you despise this Christ he praises. Your slip is showing.

          Remind us all again, what do your comments have to do with the post here????? But let God be true, and every man a liar.

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          I looooooove by the way how you quote someone such as Gandhi when it suits your purpose; otherwise you despise this Christ he praises. Your slip is showing.

          …………………. as everything about him was conveyed to us by anonymous, superstitious, scientifically-ignorant authors who never met him.

          EDIT gee I wonder why:

          And with this umpteenth comment of prolixity, you have extended your stay at this post. Please try again some other time to make sense. In the meantime, feel free to re-read what you are missing.

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        • john zande says:

          Yeah, he’s rigged mine too that I can’t Like yours, either. I also have about ten comments which he won’t free… Oh well, the joys of commenting on Colorstorm’s blog 🙂

          EDIT-

          Maybe I need a ‘repeat’ button. See comment to your pal arch. Rigged? Funny.

          Perhaps I should rig something, since nothing is ever ‘new, original, or useful’ ahem, coming from certain quarters 😉

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  2. Denile is not just a river in Egypt apparently.

    The very name Moses is interesting, coming from the Hebrew roots, it means to “draw out” as a son might be drawn out in childbirth. In the case of Moses however, he was drawn out of the water. Born once by his birth, born again by the pharaoh’s daughter, and born a third time when God called him to lead. I love all those 3’s in the bible.

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    • john zande says:

      Hi Insanity

      Are you aware of the Babylonian tale of King Sargon of Agade? It predates the Pentateuch by 1,000 years, and begins:

      “My humble mother bore me secretly. She put me in a basket of rushes and sealed me in with asphalt. Then she put me into the river…. The river held me up, and carried me to Akki, the irrigator who drew water from the river for the people. As he dipped his jug into the river, Akki carried me out. He raised me as his own son.”

      Sound familiar?

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      • Your relentless attempts to try and justify your non belief are kind of pathetic, John Zande. That alone speaks to the obvious fact that there is something wrong in your belief system. People who know what they know, just scratch their heads and walk away. Those who doubt themselves are compelled to scoff relentlessly.

        My entire world could fall away and everything I perceive to be true could be shown to be untrue and it still wouldn’t matter one bit, because God is God. I myself could cease to exist and yet God is still God. God is not a belief system or an ideology, God just is.

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        • john zande says:

          Insanity, I’m afraid you’ve gone off on a rather odd tangent there. I was merely demonstrating to you the far older source material of the Moses birth fable. As you can clearly see, it comes directly from the tale of King Sargon.

          You’re certainly free to research the tale and check for yourself, to clarify the accuracy of what I have posted. I assure you, though, I don’t lie.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Yea, and I suppose you could find a link that says Nylo Mischovis invented spandex and named the pet rock in 425 BCE.

          Every one of your attempts to find flaws in scripture simply reveal more lustre.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Hey John

          Tell me….does every single scholar agree that your story is the source of Moses ? I mean is the agreement universal? Is this a FACT? Guaranteed to be empirically so? Or perhaps you are exercising some FAITH that your source is correct. Or maybe you ignore all possible evidence to the contrary? Because what you left out of your story is that it takes much more than simply similarities to establish borrowing. Of course I am no expert in all areas such as you are…but I can google with the best.

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        • john zande says:

          The birth story, Wally, was borrowed from Sargon, as you can clearly see. The rest of the Moses/Exodus fable is borrowed from multiple other sources, no doubt as well as some homegrown creativity, as the Encyclopaedia Judaica (a famed publication which examines all scholastic, theological and scientific work) openly concludes: “ [the Exodus narrative was] “dramatically woven out of various strands of tradition… he [Moses] wasn’t a historical character.”

          You’re free to look at the Encyclopaedia Judaica yourself, if you like, and verify it does actually say this.

          NOTE TO WALLY:
          Sorry, just passing this along; usually it finds the dumpster, but you would hear the cry of ‘free speech,’ and how cs holds back the truth……… Now where is the shredder?

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          Note to NOTE TO WALLY, re: “you would hear the cry of ‘free speech,’” – If he hasn’t heard it after all of the comments of mine that you’ve buried, he’s not likely to hear it now.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          This is a joke right? If something of yours was ‘buried,’ it no doubt was not welcome.

          You may draw your own conclusions, but fortunately, your own friends are well aware of your mischief.

          CStorm is not a dump site for infectious waste.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          “The birth story, Wally, was borrowed from Sargon, as you can clearly see.”

          First of all, John, let me say thanks for telling me what I see. Without your guidance I would be quite confused.

          Actually, I don’t see that. You do, but oddly enough your seeing it does not make it either true or what others see.

          My question from earlier John? A asked one which you neatly sidestepped. Thanks.

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        • john zande says:

          Did you? Apologies if I missed it. Was it a real question?

          So, you don’t see the almost identical story-lines, huh? That’s tremendously interesting, Wally.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Soooo…the question? Was simple…yes…or..no. Doesn’t need many words..only one.

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        • john zande says:

          Sure, please ask the question….

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        • You don’t seem to understand Zande. A thousand babies could have floated down the river in a reed basket over the years, but God is still God. Moses is still Moses. Your argument is flawed because your argument is irrelevant.

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        • john zande says:

          What’s my argument?

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Your religion is based on Judaism. Without it, it is meaningless.
          As much as Marcion wished to disavow Yahweh and the Old Testament the Church realised it would eventually fall apart without the Torah. Thus they declared Marcion a heretic, returned his money and sent him packing and banned his gospel.
          John’s observations are based on scrupulous research over 18 months plus, and included hundreds of hours of correspondence.
          Your objections, IB,like your faith, is based largely on fear. In reality this is unnecessary, and somewhat sad.
          The Jewish people are coming to grips with their own fabricated history and they don’t seem t be having any noticeable problems.
          Those that built the foundation for your religion to follow are already accepting that Moses is simply a narrative construct. A Super Hero for a plot device.
          Maybe if you were able to put emotion aside for half an hour and simply research the topic you might realise many things also? And nothing bad is going to happen, I assure you.

          Even a cursory examination will reveal so much.

          What is there to lose?

          A NEED TO OPINE FROM THE DESK OF COLORSTORM:

          It would be easy to dismiss this comment entirely, but there is a line tucked in the middle that should at least be seen, if not responded to:

          ‘IB, like your faith, is based largely on fear. In reality this is unnecessary, and somewhat sad.’

          I would take the liberty of leveling this charge, but maybe insanitybytes would like the honor; then again, maybe not, and I would not blame her to not defend such a hopeless, sad, and condescending point of view. It baffles the mind how a person can see the beauty in a bumblebee, and not notice the exquisite and surpassing beauty in the heart of a sanctified woman with a rare gift seen in print and confirmed by many.

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      • makagutu says:

        John you should always remember when dealing with Christianity that the older story copies from the latter one. So if the story of Sargon predates the OT, it helps you to remember they copied the OT.

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    • archaeopteryx1 says:

      Moses is an Egyptian name, IB, as in Thutmose I thru 4. It means, “baby.”

      EDIT two cents:
      Apparently this poster has traveled off course, and thinks he is at his friends place, where the idea is to babble endlessly to the roaring crowds.

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  3. ColorStorm says:

    Nobody could have drafted a character like Moses insanitybytes. His strength was not his, but he knew the Mighty One. His prayers showed a common man with an uncommon heart.

    His attention to detail was stellar, and his faith failed and persevered. To be so recognized as a man with meekness unlike all others was remarkable, yet the baptist was the greatest born of women. The network of truth in scripture disallows the genius of man.

    Now you say water, drawn, and 3’s. Oh boy, ran out of paper. 😉

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    • archaeopteryx1 says:

      Now you say water, drawn, and 3’s. Oh boy, ran out of paper.” – As well as intelligible sentences, it would seem.

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    • Arkenaten says:

      He was a murderer. Period. A fictional one, but still a murderer.
      You like to associate with this kind?

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      • ColorStorm says:

        And with this comment, say good bye to your remaining posts sitting in the ice cooler that are equally useless, divisive, and deserve no daylight.

        (Associating with your ‘murderer’ is one thing. Addressing your ‘fictitious’ claim would be the height of stupidity)

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          Feels good to be the tyrant, doesn’t it Colorstorm? The Speech-Nazi! Feel the power? The control? “Thou shalt have no other points of view before me!

          You know what you are, CS? Yeah, you do, don’t you –?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Hmmm let’s see here archx1.

          Of a post containing 121 comments, 23, that’s TWENTY THREE, belong to you. 23.
          18 belong to Zande.
          6 belong to your friend arknaten. (plus his rejected others)

          Total? 47. That’s 47, and ahem, this does not include your most recent hailstorm of 6 more in a two minute span hurling more insults. Most reasonable people would agree there is no issue of ‘free speech,’ but there most certainly is another motive. Others may draw their own conclusions.

          And once more, you have added another comment having nothing to do with the post.

          The word of God says: ‘Shun profane and vain babblings.’
          It’s rather interesting how somebody as ‘tyrannical’ as myself has managed to occupy such a large part of your disdain, yet allow so few (cough) of your remarks.

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  4. You know CS–as a bit of a newcomer to this blog of yours—I have grown so very weary of those fellows out there who appear to simply enjoy being contrary. I read over your post from yesterday, as well as the linked post that was dated January 2015, which was before I began following you.
    I read the comments from your regular pack of naysayers and I came away frustratingly sad.

    Ok I, we, everyone gets that there are those who do not believe in Christ as Messiah, Redeemer, Resurrected Son of God, let alone those who believe he even existed. There are those who believe / think the Bible both old and new testament components, is all a bunch of hooey.
    There are those who think the God of the Jews, the prophets, those who proclaimed the Laws of God such as Moses, Elijah. . . are fictional. That the Bible, old and new components, are mere allegory. . .
    There are those who do not believe the Holocaust ever happened (beyond my soul but I digress). There are those who are still trying to wrap their minds around that whole man walking on the moon, but again, I digress. We all know there are those who just think Christians are a sad lot of misguided fairytale followers—OK—I, we, everyone gets it—
    But why in the world must you continue badgering, accusing, mocking, haranguing a guy whose blog is dedicated to his faith??? If you don’t like what he says, my goodness, there are thousands of other blogs I’m sure you would enjoy reading who are most likely like-minded and or mean spirited such as you are coming across. Whatever happened to letting a man profess his faith, his opinion without taunting and belittling and if the truth be told, bullying behind a blasted computer screen!!!
    It is droll and tiring to constantly read the same ol “attacks” of a man and his blog over and over, at each posting he shares. If you don’t believe what he writes, if you don’t like what he writes, then by all means go find what it is you do like!!
    Or perhaps it is the arguing that is enjoyable, the bashing, the taunting, the bullying. . .
    Just as Melissa over on Work for the Cause Not the Applause so eloquently posted the other day—if this Jesus so many are so quick to dismiss as a false prophet or persona non gratis, as in never existed, then why pray tell do we have people trying so very hard to blot HIm and his followers off the face of the planet. As in this blotting has been going on now for 2000 years. If he didn’t matter, why bother. . . why kill and or torture the followers, why persecute, why annihilate–why feel threatened by a non person??!! Why the fear, why the defensiveness, if he wasn’t real why do you even care to argue with those you think stupid, mislead, misguided, confused, barking up the wrong tree. . .why waste your time, your energy, your emotions over a man who never, in your mind, existed??
    I just don’t get it.. . .
    Oh, and by the way CS, I liked this post as well. . .
    jules

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    • Wally Fry says:

      I don’t get it either Jules…was hoping for a minute you were gonna enlighten me.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Yikes jewels, you out did the post 😉

      I had a line about the holocaust btw, and took it out…….then you come along……

      Addressing the probings of the faith only strengthen my faith, as your comment does here.

      But yes, there is a level of animosity that is above and beyond, which I’m thinking, there are many silent watchers in the bleachers who are being helped, but keep quiet.

      No attack on scripture has worth, and the bottom line: people know the word is truth and they are indicted, and look for weaknesses in believers to justify their crimes of professional mockery.

      Stephen in Acts 7 had it perfectly right, and the spirit that ended his life is identical to what we find on the web, minus the physical death.

      One cannot honestly resist the wisdom and spirit of God. You will be assaulted as well for what you wrote here, be it today, tomorrow, or next week.

      Tkx for the xcellent observations

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    • archaeopteryx1 says:

      But why in the world must you continue badgering, accusing, mocking, haranguing a guy whose blog is dedicated to his faith???” – I can’t speak for anyone else, Julie, but I only write to correct his mistakes, which as it turns out, is a full-time job.

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    • Arkenaten says:

      One of the major tenets of your religion, Julie, is that non believers will go to hell for eternity.And it is indoctrinated into kids.
      This is why non believers call out those who profess this religion.
      As the saying goes. Put up or push off. 🙂

      Otherwise, believe what you like.

      EDIT NOTE TO JULIE AND OTHER READERS:

      Since I am accused regularly of ahem, withholding ‘truth’ by way of moderation of certain folks, you tell me what relevance THIS comment has to do with ‘Moses never lived……………………..’ Yea, didn’t think so. It appears this is the right call to say ‘no thank you’ to such things. Jules, use your own judgment; I included this so all would see how lame the endless charges are.

      This is not a toxic waste dump as stated before.

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      • I think I’ve lived long enough to know that I don’t know everything about God, He whom I call heavenly Father. I don’t know what happens to any of us when we die and meet God—as that is an individual encounter- – -but of course this line of thinking is if you believe in an omnipotent God—so yes believing in Jesus as Lord and Savior is indeed the key element to Christianity. . .yet where I once too believed that the “unsaved” or those who have committed suicide, etc, punched a one way ticket south, to hell. . . I have come to know that I don’t know everything about God—for I am the created and not the Creator. .and of course that is my belief, not necessarily anyone else’s. . .As to what happens when each of us meets God at our time of death or at the time we are raised from the dead. . .who can say? May not redemption still be offered? I can’t say yes or no to that with certainty. . . that He would not still offer Himself to us. . .
        I’m sure that to some that might sound a bit radical or odd but truly, none of us know the heart of God when we die and come to His presence—I do know that He is Love. . .
        Yet for Christians our salvation is through the Resurrection of His Son. . .
        I do not wish to accuse, belittle, bash, argue, fuss, cuss anyone—I am a Christian because I cling the blood of the lamb—and I know that I am a sinner, whose sins are no better or worse than anyone else–it is my choice to believe, and it is through His Grace that I may so believe—but that is not for me to turn to you and point an accusatory finger. All I can do is to say that my life is the better for His presence. . and those who see me, may take from that what they wish—I can’t make anyone else believe—I just know what has taken place in my own life and heart—

        . . .and as for visiting the toxic waste dumps–that is to each person’s choice to visit or not—yet it is not for me to nip at the heels of the author—if I don’t like what he /she says, I may simply go elsewhere, finding a place I enjoy, a place that adds to the positive—I do not seek out nonbelievers to negate their writings–that does not benefit either of us—I prefer to find sustenance which helps to feed my own soul—but as a teacher and a mom, I grow tired of the din of arguing, accusations, the “he said, she said” fodder. . . for which all eventually seems to swirl into a negative war of words—such a war most often than not sees no winner . . .
        peace

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          You seem quite level headed, Julie – what’s a nice lady like you doing in a place like this?

          None of my business, but just out of curiosity, what do you teach and which grade? I’ve done a little teaching myself.

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        • High School–9-12 Visual Arts –beginning levels, upper levels. . .painting, drawing, ceramics–the whole kit & Kaboodle , all the way up to AP and IB—for 31 years.

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          I taught Special Ed., as does now my son. Though I’ve never done ceramics, I’ve managed a couple of dozen oils, and am currently working on a series involving whales and dolphins.

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        • I have a great affinity for those educators who work in Special Ed—my classroom was next door to one of our SpEd classes—this particular room worked with the profoundly handicapped—I felt privileged that my kids (students) could often work with our “neighbors” on various projects. As a mom whose son has struggled his entire life with a pronounced learning disability as well as ADD, I have nothing but respect for my SpEd colleagues —-

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          I also spent some time working for the San Diego Specal Olympics, and at one particular event that I recall most vividly – a lap around the track involving 10-year olds – as the pack crossed the finish line, one little boy, a Down’s Syndrome child, was still a full quarter-track behind the group. At this point, I would have simply walked off the track – what was the use? But not this boy, he just kept picking them up and putting them down. He hadn’t come there to win, he had come to do his best job, and nothing was going to stop him from doing that. We could learn a lot from those kids.

          My biggest problem lay in imagining the lives in store for these children when they were no longer young and cute. I had one boy, a hydrocephalic with a shunt coming out of the base of his skull into a bag under his shirt. I’ve often wondered what became of him and what kind of life he must be leading.

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        • I worked with a lady who had a son with hydrocephalus and a shunt–he was intelligent, yet struggled emotionally—he wasn’t suppose to see his 30’s—he has and has a doggedly determined mother who has made certain that his life would be / is as normal as possible—tapping into his strengths. —she found a great training center in our state which helps to prepare special need individuals to transition to the work force. But of course he had a parent determined to make certain that would work for him—not all are as fortunate.
          But as you noted on the young man with Down’s Syndrome–he was determined to do his best. . .I find that as they (those with down’s and other afflictions) grow into adulthood, that same desire to do their best never diminishes . . .There are no answers as to why these things happen to certain families and individuals yet the one thing I have noted during my time working with such individuals is just how much they can teach me about my own frustrations, relationships, joy and love. . Blessing for a lovely day—
          Julie

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Reminds me Jules of every encounter of people with Down’s; never a bad one.

          Then you may recall Mr Dawkins comments about the same……ugh.

          A true embarrassment showing a distaste for what is not ‘common,’ and a narrow mindedness toward parents everywhere who show love without measure.

          Such is God’s timeless promise about never leaving nor forsaking. Whether it is Moses, Daniel, Elizabeth, Paul, Timothy, you, I, His word is equally sure,

          And we can see his promises everywhere, in everything and everybody, with open eyes.

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        • Amen my friend—so many or our trials and struggles, particularly where children may be involved, is doubly troubling when we try to wrap our heads around the agonizing whys—reflecting back this week to the Oklahoma bombing and of those innocent children in the day care who were killed—we all struggle with those whys. . and what of the Syrian refugee children who were poisoned last week, dying slow agonizing deaths—-it is hard, very hard indeed. . .but then, for me, enters Faith—hard, never easy faith—of which is my life line and of which is not tangible nor easy. It does not offer explanations and can, at agonizing times, seem futile. . .yet, I have learned that if I do not have faith—I have nothing— only the nagging questions, resentment, guilt, sorrow, and a nihilistic fatalist sense that we live, we die and that’s that. . .My focus is on my faith in my God, His Son and the Spirit—others may have an entirely different take—but I can only hope and pray that those who choose no Faith—may find the peace, the calm and compass leading directions that I have discovered as I cling to the grace of faith— without such I suppose others must be made of stronger stuff than I am.

          During my own life’s trials, struggles, and agonizing sorrows—I have been known to certainly rile at God, shaking an angry fist—yet it is to a Holy Presence that I get mad—and as He is bigger than me and my world, I rest knowing that He sees, He hears and He is constantly present—if I didn’t have that—life’s event would have gotten the better of me long ago. . .
          That is my comfort—I cannot speak for others—

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        • Eliza says:

          God’s Word the Bible does say exactly what happens when we die:

          27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,…

          That is why Christ came and died in our stead so we could be saved eternally from the judgment of God in hell. To make it optional before we die, is to take away the only hope that any individual has of having their sins forgiven and being given the gift of eternal life.

          Now that verse was taken out of context. It is important to see what the entire context says:

          24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another–26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly await for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:24-28

          Christ died to reconcile us to God, one time. His sacrifice has put away our sin, praise God. He bore our sins and took them out of the way. Those who eagerly await His appearance the second time are those who have believed in Him and turned from their sin. They have believed the gospel of God, that Jesus Christ died on the cross, according to the Scriptures, to take away our sins, that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. They trust their Savior for eternal life and the life that they live in the here and now.

          Those who try to make salvation through faith in Christ optional are broadcasting a false hope that condemns sinners to hell. They are not the friend of sinners, but further the work of the enemy of our souls. Repentance and faith in Christ are only available during life on this earth. Death without Christ ushers us into the judgment of God based on what God has told us in His Word. I will believe what He has to say any day before I will believe another fallible human being. God bless us.

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        • Oh yes, I too claim and believe in all that you state and reference for I believe in God’s word as stated in Holy Scripture and I believe His word is true. I believe in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and that He died for my sins and salvation. I also believe that God has set His covenant and tenants with man–that He is a God of Law and Judgement as well as a God of Love and Compassion. He has stated what one must do in order to receive salvation.
          And all I know is that whatever is in my heart at the time of my death–at that very moment when life and death meet—is that His Son died for me, as well as for all humankind–I have asked for forgiveness. I cannot speak for anyone else and what is in their heart at their time of death–I claim and cling to the blood of the Lamb, I want to be washed clean in that blood. Yet the mystery of how God greets or turns away each of us at the time of each individual’s death—is a mystery beyond human comprehension. It is an encounter as individual as each person. And as I claim, I am but the created, He, the Creator of both Heaven and Earth is the one true God and God alone—HIs ways, His time, His being. . .is beyond my limited comprehension. Oh we, man, try / tries to put God in a neat little box of understanding, but we, as His creation, cannot for our’s is a finite limited vision as His is for all of space and time. . .

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        • Eliza says:

          No, according to the Scriptures we have eternal life when we believe in and receive Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, and nothing can take that away. This is a settled transaction between us and God through faith in His Son Jesus Christ. And this life is only dependent upon our faith in Jesus Christ, our glorious Lord and Savior. Oh how I love Him!

          20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Chris our Lord. Romans 5:20-21

          22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have the fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:22-23

          31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or peril, or sword? Romans 8:31-35

          11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 There things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:11-13

          There you go, we have eternal life as soon as we believe in Jesus Christ and nothing can remove that from us. We are His and belong to Him and nothing can separate us from Him. Praise God He has done it all. God bless you:)

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  5. Eliza says:

    Why would a group of slaves out of Egypt come up with a complex set of laws covering everything from health, birth, death, food, sexual behavior, jealousy, false gods, the occult, idolatry, proper worship of their God, if those laws and that worship set them at odds with everyone around them and the breaking of those laws brought hardship and destruction upon them. That doesn’t sound the least like human nature to me. How could that band of displaced wanderers come into a land and drive out the inhabitants and take possession of it? All of this presupposes the existence of God and His choice of Moses as His servant to accomplish His will for His people Israel, and use Moses’s life and office as a precursor for the Messiah.

    18 “I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him. Deuteronomy 18:18-19

    48 “He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him–the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is everlasting live. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.” John 12:48-50

    22 “For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.'” Acts 3:22-23

    Oh, by the way, Israel is in the land that God gave to them. They are following the Pentateuch to recreate the articles of worship necessary for the construction of the final temple. They still reject their Messiah, Jesus Christ, just as they did when He first came to them, but they will repent and believe in Him when He returns this last time to establish His kingdom on this earth and fulfill all of the promises made to His people that were not fulfilled during Israel’s existence as God’s own special nation because they rejected that law which had been given to them by Moses.

    Blinded by unbelief and hatred of God, you cannot see what is glaringly obvious. Scholars will also dispute all that you have said. Secularists that bring accusations of the insufficiency of the Scriptures are always silenced by godly men who do the hard work and prove the nonsense they are spouting is simply that, nonsense. William Mitchell Ramsay is one such scholar who comes to mind who put an end to the naysayers who were attacking the veracity of the book of Acts.

    Lost sinners deceived by their deception will grasp at any straw to try to negate the reality of the existence of God, His command that all sinners repent and put their faith in Christ, and the surety of a fiery hell for those who refuse and reject His grace given to us only through His Son Jesus Christ. God bless us.

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    • Wally Fry says:

      Hey Eliza, good to see you it’s been a bit.

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      • Eliza says:

        Thank you Wally, it is interesting trying to minister to atheists, isn’t it?

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        • makagutu says:

          Liz, somewhere in this thread yo say the bible says exactly what happens when we die. If we consider the OT also as the word of god, we have in Eccl

          19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

          20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

          21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

          22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

          and I don’t see any mention of judgement. Which one should I go with?

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        • Eliza says:

          Go to the end of Ecclesiastes:

          13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all. 14 For God will bring every work into judgment, Including every secret thing, Whether good or evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

          Here Solomon summed up all of his writing in Ecclesiastes under the inspiration of God. This accords well with what the Lord taught us through His Apostle Paul in Romans 2:

          4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”; 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth but obey unrighteousness–indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also the Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God. Romans 2:4-11

          Remember, to understand a verse of portion of Scripture you must look at it in its context surrounding it, in the context of the book and then finally in the context of the Bible. Scripture interprets Scripture.

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        • makagutu says:

          Liz, if you allow me to call you that. I should have asked the first time.

          His conclusion doesn’t follow from his writings. In v8 just before he concludes the matter, he writes

          “Meaningless! Meaningless!” says the Teacher.[a]
          “Everything is meaningless!”

          There is no reconciling this and his final statements. Either all is entirely meaningless and that includes obeying god (EDIT the correct word is GOD) or they are meaningful but you can’t have it both ways.

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        • Eliza says:

          The whole text of the book is Solomon trying to find the meaning of life, and he found that living for the now was meaningless. He ended up with the verse that I quoted because that was the most important aspect about life. He wrote it, it was a summation for the book. This is where it is oh so important to be filled with the Holy Spirit and to diligently study God’s Word so it can be rightly divided. Otherwise there is so much opportunity to miss what God is saying to us. You may call me Eliza.

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        • makagutu says:

          Where does one get this spirit and how would one know they got the holy one?

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        • Eliza says:

          The promise of the Holy Spirit is for those who have repented of their sins and put their faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, believing the Scriptures that He was crucified for our sins, was buried and rose again from the dead for our justification. All those who truly repent and believe what God has said in His Word about His Son are promised the gift of eternal life through faith in His Son.

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        • makagutu says:

          Then I don’t want it for it is based on believing a lie and a fraud

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        • Eliza says:

          Sadly, that is the choice that you have made. I was once an atheist, but I didn’t really know too much about the truth. One day I met the Living Christ and He transformed me from a sinning foolish atheist to His beloved daughter rejoicing in His love. God’s amazing love given to us through His Son is the truth just as He has described in His Word the Bible. Maybe He will have mercy on your soul too and bring you to salvation.

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        • makagutu says:

          It seems to me you only became more foolish. A foolish atheist to a foolish Christian. That’s all you did. Too sad. But I think your problem is a lack of knowledge

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        • Eliza says:

          Wouldn’t you like to think that is so, but no it isn’t. God saved me by His mercy and His grace according to what He has said in His Word the Bible. I admit that I am not perfect, but the life that He has given me to live is far different from my life as a poor pitiful atheist tossed to and fro by my sin nature. Your assertion is based solely upon your rejection of the truth and your godless prejudice against all those who believe the truth. But Paul was such a one as you when he was Saul before Christ met Him. Perhaps God will yet have mercy upon you. I can say that because Saul rejected the truth and persecuted Christ’s disciples until He met Saul on the road to Damascus and transformed him from a sinner who opposed God and His children to a saint who loved Christ and His own.

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        • makagutu says:

          Tell me Eliza, what sin were you saved from? Most men claim they were watching porn and jeebus got them outta it. So what was yours?

          What truth? What is truth?

          Paul just changed coats from one intolerance to another. He was still the same person.

          No, don’t have any hopes. There is no god and it has no sons/ suns

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        • Eliza says:

          Ah the atheist talking points, I’ve seen this one before. Doesn’t matter what sins I was saved from what matters is that I repented of my sins and was saved from my sins. What matters is that I don’t commit those sins anymore, praise God. What matters is that I am no longer alienated from God and I am a member of the household of faith. What matters is that I have a home in heaven with Jesus Christ my Redeemer.

          Truth is objective and knowable, you just have to want to know it.

          No, Paul was changed. It really doesn’t matter what you say because you are lost in your sin and the delusion of your superiority. That is sadness and madness. You quote the Scriptures for rejecting the truth. How terrible is that? The very Word that could turn your life around and give you hope, and a future because it can lead you to Jesus Christ the Savior. Now that is unmitigatedly sad.

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        • makagutu says:

          Eliza that was a simple question, why evade it.
          Saying truth is objective and knowable doesn’t come close to answering my question. So again what is truth?

          I don’t lie to myself to pretensions of grandeur or superiority but I can tell an idjit when I see one.

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        • Eliza says:

          If that is what you think then you certainly don’t want to be told about the truth from me, maybe you should go ask someone else.

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        • makagutu says:

          Why are you being hostile? I have asked you only two questions.
          1. What is truth
          2. What sin were you saved from mainly.
          You on the other hand keep implying I need help. Can’t we just have a reasonable discussion?

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        • Eliza says:

          It is unreasonable to have a discussion with some one who has already declared that there is no truth, that you are foolish, and that you are an idiot. You just want to carry on your specious attacks for your own amusement and the amusement of your atheist friends, sorry I am not interested.

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        • makagutu says:

          Where have I made any declaration on truth? Is it in this post?
          Have I called you foolish or idiot?

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        • Eliza says:

          Why yes you did and you did say there was no truth. What has the alcohol addled your brain so that you don’t remember?

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        • makagutu says:

          In this post? I haven’t drank in two days so it can’t be alcohol, maybe sex I think.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          mak-

          You are relying on other people’s opinion’s of Eliza to try to malign her argument. There are bread crumbs a mile long that testify to this.

          She has answered your concerns as to truth, life, light and darkness.

          All one needs do is to read the comments attacking her, ahem, by your esteemed friends, male and female, and a reasonable person would conclude there is quite a bit of character assassination.

          After all, it is true that darkness hates the light of truth.

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        • makagutu says:

          I admit you are in charge of the inmates in this madhouse that you run, but where have I relied on anyone’s opinion to malign her argument?
          What answer did she give to my question about truth apart from saying truth is objective.
          I am not in charge of what my esteemed friends say.

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        • Eliza says:

          You can’t handle the truth so why bother. Anyway, I’m just an idiot Christian so why be concerned with what I believe to be true. You have already proven that you don’t want to know the truth, you just want to slander and attack.

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        • makagutu says:

          How have I attacked you? You are imagining things.
          In any case, you are the one involved in slander even in this comment where you complain of slander

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        • Eliza says:

          Share with me how I have slandered you please.

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        • makagutu says:

          I may ask the same question. Where have I slandered you?
          In your comments all you keep saying is foolish, pitiful, sinful atheist, that am living in sin and has decided to reject truth. Isn’t that slander? Or what do you call that?

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        • Eliza says:

          Okay, have you ever done anything wrong? Have you ever lied, stolen anything, said hateful things about others, misrepresented the facts, etc. Do you acknowledge the witness in Creation that there is a Creator who is all wise, all powerful, and to whom we must give an account? Your rejection of the witness of the Scriptures regarding Jesus Christ and bating believers with your worthless questions proves that you are a sinner. You said you don’t believe in God, that is the definition of an atheist. Really there is no reason to continue to interact with you because it is all and only for your amusement and I’m not interested in amusing you.

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        • makagutu says:

          One thing you got right, is I find this amusing and I would really like your further indulgence, maybe I could see the light if you just kept preaching, you never know what prayers can do 😛
          I have done all those and many more. I remember giving someone wrong directions and felt very nice afterwards. They are not sins, if sin is understood as an infraction against deity. I have no belief in deities you see.
          I have no belief in a creator. Your belief that there is one doesn’t make it so.

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        • Eliza says:

          Your belief that God doesn’t exist just shows you are a fool. Your puny little exercise in deliberate blasphemy will bring His judgment upon you maybe sooner than you think. I would watch out if I were you. Take care, He can strike you down at any moment with out you having any recourse. You had no say in your birth, you have no say in your death. You are powerless against God. He has already judged you. Take care for He can pour out His wrath upon you at any moment.

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        • makagutu says:

          Eliza you are an idiot of the first degree with an iq smaller than the size of your shoe

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Nice one mak; when all else fails, cast a personal insult. She points you to light and life, and this is your response? She holds forth the word of God; instead of seeing daylight, you choose darkness and somehow SHE is the idiot? Uh, you my want to think again.

          Then again, it’s no surprise, Christ was said to have a devil, and Paul the apostle was considered mad. In this light, you have paid her respect.

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        • makagutu says:

          CS, she calls me a fool and that you don’t see.
          You really are in charge of a madhouse

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          You’re speaking in tongues again, CS – you write, “Nice one mak; when all else fails, cast a personal insult,” when Mak calls Eliza an idiot (of which I don’t approve, btw), yet you’re strangely silent when Eliza calls Mak a fool: “Your belief that God doesn’t exist just shows you are a fool.” – Double-standard much –?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Uh arch-

          ‘The fool says in his heart there is no God.’ Ps 14. This is not an opinion nor an insult. Don’t shoot the messenger.

          Surely you know the difference between an insult and an unwelcome fact.

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          An insult is an insult, is an insult, whether a psalmist says it or a blog commenter.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          You see arch, even God cannot have a word with you without you shaking your fist in return.

          God does not insult; He tells it the way it is. If your ego was not quite so large, you would accept His word.

          But Moses lived! and still lives.

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          You see, arch even God cannot have a word with you without you shaking your fist in return.” – You still don’t get it, no god wrote the Bible, very human men did.

          But Moses lived! and still lives.” – Actually, your own Bible says he died – are you saying you disbelieve the Bible? Shame on you, shame, shame, shame!

          And I’m beginning to revisit my thoughts on Moses being real – there is an hypothesis that someone by that name may have led a small band of the tribe of Levi out of Egypt, while the other tribes remained in the Levant and settled – still looking into that. Of course, I’ll let you know how that turns out.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Here ya go, arch

          ‘And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:

          Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease (Exodus- Greek) which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.’

          Moses lives. God is not the God of the dead, bu the living…..

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        • Eliza says:

          I get that you are a sinner, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and that prompts your wicked hatred of God and those who love Him. Is it your fear of hell that drives you to assault those whom God has called, saved and loves?

          You know, you could just humble yourself and respond to the witness and testimony that God has given you in creation and your conscience so that you can avoid His pending judgment. He calls you to repent and put your faith in His Son Jesus Christ. You can be saved from His wrath, both now and in the hereafter, if you will put your faith in the Savior and receive Him as your Lord.

          I think that perhaps you and those who agree with you have learned not to put God to the test, yes?

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        • makagutu says:

          Have a pleasant day Eliza

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Yes it is Eliza, yet it is. And apparently some are called to do just that, like it or not.

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  6. Wally Fry says:

    Hey just saw this comment on another blog

    We have got to get Christianity out of this country!

    But yet the claim is made that there is no atheist agenda. Odd

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    • archaeopteryx1 says:

      What you clearly don’t know, Wally, along with a myriad of other things, is that Hayden (the one who said that) is a Christian, he just doesn’t believe a lot of the nonsense that you do.

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      • ColorStorm says:

        Interesting arch- you will cite ‘certain’ types of believers as useful when they suit your purpose, but have no use for them when they challenge you.

        A strange confederacy you align with. Totally expected and predictable.

        I suppose your new friend doubts the life and times of Moses eh.

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          Interesting arch- you will cite ‘certain’ types of believers as useful when they suit your purpose, but have no use for them when they challenge you.” – Totally untrue, CS – in fact, had I built a little cocoon around myself, as you have, with your moderation and delete buttons, and established my own little private mutual admiration society, I would find it extremely unfulfilling. I quite enjoy discussing religion with intelligent people, and rise to any challenge they may offer. Unless, of course, they start flinging scripture that attaches to no basis in fact – I’m sure you’ve run into those —

          I suppose your new friend doubts the life and times of Moses eh.” – Most intelligent people who actually understand how the Bible was written, do.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          MODERATION ARCH?
          Uh with you yes, obviously. A certain Saturday with over 30 comments in a few hours made it necessary as you trolled and trolled and trolled, with no other motive than to disrupt, malign, insult, attack, and spew vulgarity, similar to many of your friends.

          The fact that any of your comments see the light of day is a small miracle. As to your last sentence, that about explains it, and a person who has dismissed Moses from scripture, history, and reality, has pretty much forfeited their intelligence. Tkx for proving my point.

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          with no other motive than to disrupt, malign, insult, attack, and spur vulgarity, similar to many of your friends.” – Uh, no – we’re actually trying to get you to intelligently discuss your beliefs with us, but all you do is fling scripture.

          BTW – how does one “spur vulgarity”? Is that anything like “the purity of brass”?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Spew- tkx

          Yes, as an alloy when refined, brass is very pure. Ever heard the sound of a trumpet……Kinda pure.

          But ‘fling’ scripture? Don’t recall ever doing that; seems that is an art reserved for the mocking birds.

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          Check your periodic table, CS – oh that’s right, it’s not in the Bible, so you might not be aware of it – there is no element known as brass – brass is an alloy formed by combining the two actual elements, copper and tin, in appropriate ratios. By it’s very definition, brass CANNOT be pure.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          And here I thought bronze was an alloy of copper and tin, and brass was made of copper and zinc 😉

          Bronze and brass are not twins.

          As an aside, Louis Armstrong was said to play his trumpet with a pureness rarely found in music.

          Then there is the voice of He who spoke as it were the sound of a trumpet……(Revelation)

          So you see, you are straining at that darn gnat, and swallowing that hippopotamus.

          Then there is the trumpet of Moses and the voice of God, once more speaking to the purity of God’s word.

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          And here I thought bronze was an alloy of copper and tin, and brass was made of copper and zinc” – Actually, I spoke in haste and I believe you’re right (in this particular instance only) – see how easy it is for an open-minded person to admit to a mistaken belief? You should try it sometime —

          But that doesn’t change the fact that copper is a pure element, zinc is a pure element, while brass is not.

          Then there is the voice of He who spoke as it were the sound of a trumpet……(Revelation)” – wasn’t that the teacher in the “Peanuts” cartoons? “Wah, wah, wah, wha!” I’m pretty sure it was.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          You are equating a speaking error with a ‘mistaken belief?’ As if a Creator is a mistaken belief compared to saying you left your keys on the table and not on the sofa….

          No. Mixing up zinc and tin is a common error; but glad you noticed the difference; being mistaken about ‘the source of all that is’ is quite another matter. Our opinions are meaningless, the question is: what is truth? and THAT answer needs no apology.

          I dare you to read the scriptures without the bias of infidels, and you will not arrive at the conclusions you do.

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          You are equating a speaking error with a ‘mistaken belief?’” – Pretty much.

          the question is: what is truth?” – Simple, the “truth” is a human construct that doesn’t actually exist, it’s entirely subjective. Even what is truth in the realm of physics, isn’t truth on the quantum level. And everytime we think we know the truth, there’s always the formula, N+1 —

          I dare you to read the scriptures without the bias of infidels, and you will not arrive at the conclusions you do.” – Actually I already did that years ago, and doing so is what caused me to arrive at those conclusions in the first place.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Seriously arch? you can go through life without knowing absolute truth?

          So it is not true that night is night and day is day?
          It is not true that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west?
          It is not true that mathematics is an exact science, with even the atomic clock being accurate for eons …………….because of math?
          It is not true that love is greater than hate?

          Etc. Etc. Etc.

          Yes there is truth all around, and do not rule out the conscience as the target of the arrow of truth as well.

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          So it is not true that night is night and day is day?” – “Night” is nothing more than life in the shadow of the earth, “day” is living on the sunward side of a revolving planet. We humans have attached labels to those periods, but are they “true”? Is “night” when it’s dark? When I walk into a dark movie theater in mid-afternoon, is it night or day?

          It is not true that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west?” – I can’t be sure – did it happen that way before I was born? How do I know? Will it continue to do that? I can’t say.

          It is not true that mathematics is an exact science, with even the atomic clock being accurate for eons …………….because of math?” – That’s like asking if 1+1=2, and the answer is, only in a base 10 – in a base 4, 1+1=8. Oh, and do some research – the atomic clock loses time —

          It is not true that love is greater than hate?” – I’m not sure that anyone can really define love or hate – can you? I’m sure you can give me examples, but can you actually define either? And even if you do, will your definition be mine? John’s? Julie’s? Wally’s?

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      • Wally Fry says:

        The fact that it was said just illustrates that there is more going on than just a desire to live without belief. There is a desire to eradicate belief in our culture

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          Belief in nonsense? Sure, why not, who still believes in Zeus and Odin, or witch doctors curing illness?

          How many children have died over the years – in THIS country – because their parents believe the Bible tells them not to seek medical attention for their children, but to allow the “Lord’s will” to be done? Or refuse to allow their children to have life-saving blood transfusions because the Bible tells them to avoid the intake of blood? Should we not eradicate those beliefs, Wally, or should we sit back, fold our arms, smile smugly, and watch those children die because “the lord” is calling them home? I could send you a list of states – again, IN THIS COUNTRY – that have either passed bills, or are in the process of doing so, that would allow parents to choose NOT to seek medical treatment for their children as long as their belief system forbids it.

          Is this REALLY what you want, Wally? You are a FAR more reasonable person than Colorstorm – at least you’re not in it for the pats on the back – think about it and get back to me as to how many children you would watch die before you decided that something needed to be done.

          EDIT OBSERVATION:
          Classic deflection. What about the people in China? What about the kids? What about them?

          The real question is: what about YOU? God’s word does not let you off the hook so easily. As to your snide remark about back patting, yea, it began with Paul. He took the lashes to get awards. Really arch, when will you drop your ego and submit to the one who gives you breath….

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Reach for the most absurd example to make the most absurd point

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Hey that statement that there is no absolute truth. Is that absolutely true? Just curious

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        • Wally Fry says:

          And by the way if you put more stuff in caps you might convince me

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          It would serve no purpose, Wally – I use caps to add emphasis to a word. For example, children die all over the world, but in THIS country — see, I used that to emphasize THIS country, rather than any or the others. And face it, Wally, with your mind locked and firmly invested in your fantasies, no amount of capital letters would make a difference.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Arch, Contrary to what you think, I am not stupid. Even you know that is not what I meant.

          Those children? Yep, that’s not right. So, go find those people and talk to them. Your implication that anyone you have talked to on this thread advocates standing idly by and watch children die is simply wrong. And the folks about the blood transfusions? The main advocates of that are not Christian. They are religious, but not Christian.

          Christianity is not the problem, individual stupidity is. You interest is obviously in eradicating faith as a whole from the public view.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Fine distinction, and important. ‘Religious but not christian.’

          As far as stupid, let’s make this real easy. No sane person thinks a carpenter could make a table without wood and a plan.

          Yet, the same people think the ‘wood from the tree’ appeared without a designer.

          Relevance? God told Moses regarding the tabernacle: ‘See that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.’

          NO HUMAN could have designed the tabernacle with its cunning work while the understanding would be revealed to a people not yet born.

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  7. Arkenaten says:

    If Moses was a real character, is there a single piece of non-biblical evidence to suggest that the Exodus took place?
    Anything at all?
    At any time in history.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Strange how you want to remove the only proof that is needed. Sure, go ahead and try to erase every reference of every city mentioned in scripture. No Gilgal no Joshua. No Jericho, no Joshua. No Joshua, no Moses. Clever.

      The cities are the points of reference for all the facts. You want history, yet you deny the scriptures and the impeccability of names and places? Please.

      IF Moses was a real character…………..nice try.

      Non biblical evidence? As if the effect of scripture on men has no relevance.

      For God’s sake, read the works of the Jew Alfred Edersheim, who lived without the distraction and bias of the internet, who focused on Old Testament history and Jewish customs; his scholarship is unmatched.

      You must be tired of all your dance steps to avoid what is blatantly true.

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      • Arkenaten says:

        You do not understand. One can have real things in a story. Citing London in a novel does not mean the characters or the story have to be real.

        The archaeological issues of Jericho were sorted ages ago. Why on earth are you raising this?

        Scripture cannot be seen in isolation or as some sort of esoteric literature that has no need to ‘measure up’
        It mentions real people and is set in a real place.
        But one cannot say because Jericho s real therefore the Sinai crossing must be as well!

        We have physical evidence for Jericho, yes, but there is nothing for the Biblical Exodus.
        And what we are trying to explain to you , and what secular archaeologists have shown based on the evidence is that it did not happen.
        It is merely a story. A plot device.

        If the bible was beyond reproach and the evidence was there for everyone to see why have biblical archaeologists, the likes of Albright, Woods,Kitchen etc been trying desperately – devoting their entire careers to finding a single scrap of evidence.
        Surely their faith should be strong enough? Why the need to chase after concrete evidence?

        Because they need to prove to themselves, to allay their own doubt and to silence every other skeptic.
        Well this dream has vanished. And what the evidence shows is that it is all fiction.

        It is not atheists trying to undermine Christianity or Judaism.
        No. It is science and the hard truth.
        Don’t blame the messenger.
        Accept the truth based on the evidence.
        Others have; many with a lot more at stake than the Christians. So if they can, why not you?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          ark-
          You should be forced to be put in a room and fed your commentary; you would choke of malnutrition.

          You have made comments to Julie, insanitybytes, Wally, and myself within the past hour repeating ‘no evidence, no scholars believe, blah blah blah, with a simple view to flood this post with your perception that the word of God is somehow inadequate.

          They hardly require a response, but I would like to mention your ‘plot device.’

          It fails. The ‘we’ that you represent, are simply all who have signed their name to ‘chasing a butterfly across the earth, being blindfolded and with two broken legs, in the dark, while the monarch sleeps.’ Vanity. Your song of antagonism against scripture and the God of heaven is weary.

          Repeating your objections is meaningless, and since you know your words have no place, one must wonder just who in fact you are speaking to.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          The comment I made to Julie was regard hell and child indoctrination.
          As to whom am I speaking?
          Well, I would like to believe there are others who peruse your blog and may perchance upon such comments and pause for a moment to think.
          That you offer no refutation suggests you are simply at a loss to explain such very pertinent issues.
          The least you could would be to suggest scholars who are able to – or believe they are able to refute these claims, you obviously cannot, thus you resort to simply coming across like a fanatic.
          Why do you not at least offer something meaningful? Are you intellectually stumped?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          ok, ark, i’ll let Julie have you.

          (By the way, I have mentioned the name of Mr. Alfred Edersheim for the fourth time, and you dismiss his life’s work in an instant; yet, I am supposed to oblige your every whim? Yea ok)

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  8. Moses never lived? What about Charlton Heston and that awesome movie? He was pretty convincing there! Seriously, I had never heard this one before. The entire nation and people of Israel are all also completely mis-led? I don’t think so.
    The river of de-Nile keeps flowing (ha ha!)
    Great job CS, keep preachin’ it!!

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Nice one betts but Mr. De Mille messed up when he cast Edward G Robinson. Could you see him with a cigar with smoke wafting: ‘Now look shee here Moezes, ya dirty rat…’

      We can laugh about a Hollywood production, but far fetched? Not really, as the animosity is even worse today, and how many people were inspired to at least pick up the scriptures for the whole story.

      That was a huge production back in the day, and it still has appeal.

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  9. For an alleged “fictional” character, Moses is awfully powerful. He seems to be putting the fear of God into some people to this very day.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Indeed. The lengths traveled to cast out somebody who did not exist is truly Rod Serling material, and one could rightly question the mental health of such disciples; seriously.

      If you believed Tiger Woods never lived, what could one say of you if you devoted your whole life finding ‘others’ who agreed with you, then tried to discredit others who actually saw him? Yikes.

      Sounds familiar. But yes, the fear of God perhaps ib.

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  10. Peter says:

    Archaeologist Richard Friedman has argued that there was an Exodus. Though not exactly as described in the Bible. Rather it was the Levites who were the Egyptians they migrated to Canaan and integrated with the existing people there. Combing religious traditions.

    A few reasons why this theory has developed is:
    1) the Levites had Egyptian names the other people did not;
    2) the Levites had no inheritance, they had to live among the other tribes;
    3) the Levites were especially violent people which helps explain how they muscled their way into the existing land.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Puzzled Peter in light of your own words of doubt. People young in the faith visit this blog, and your post, as do many others, create more questions than provide food. This is one reason many ‘depart’ the faith, because of half truths and not being grounded in scripture. It only takes a morsel to make a feast of doubt. I’m not too fond of providing the table setting.

      This article is good in one regard but weak in another. Friedman disagrees with the so called legendary Wolpe who has said ‘the Exodus never happened.’ That is good because Friedman exposes the weak research and arguments of the archaeologists. He says ‘History matters,’ and the Exodus absolutely occurred.

      But Friedman’s own case is weak because he says the Levites were glorified Egyptians. He veers off course, and this is where all research goes south, for NOT relying on the scriptural account, as if God is unaware of what He wrote. ‘Though not exactly described in the bible,’ says Friedman, and he uses commentary where he has no authority to do so. He fills in the blanks with unwarranted answers. He says there was an Exodus (good), but creates his own private nation (bad).

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      • Peter says:

        What happened to the comment I had posted just before this? It seems to have disappeared from the blog?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Ah let’s see.

          Your comment seems strangely familiar as aligning with others who say Moses was a fraud, and this site does not promote the unbelief, attack, and overall vitriol toward the Jews and the scriptures. I have no interest in helping others in their leap from faith to unbelief.

          If faith is valuable, it should be obvious why your comment went to the trash.

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  11. Tricia says:

    Wow, I feel like I’ve come late to the party yet the smell of venomous anti Christian rhetoric from the usual suspects who’ve blown up your comment board still lingers. It’s kind of funny really because no matter the post from you CS their comments are always the same, with all those learned scholar citations and how terrible it is for children to learn about Jesus, blah, blah, blah. Really, cannot that tired Atheist script be changed up a bit? It’s boring me to pieces. As for your post CS, good stuff as always and I particularly liked, “cannot blot out the truth from the bone and marrow from humanity.” Amen to to that and how relevant to our times.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Party complete with noisemakers? This is an important topic Tricia because of the militant nature of the opposition.

      We should not ignore popular trends, even if they are unsavory, but julie is correct about the spirit in which points are carried.

      And you are spot on as to the sameness of the rhetoric; same song, same worn out track, same borrowed stale bread, weak and vapid.

      And tkx for pointing out the bone and marrow, it’s true enough. Hey, you may be late, but you are always welcome .

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  13. john zande says:

    Moses was a fraud

    No CS, you’ve got it wrong again!

    Moses was a 6th and 7th century BCE “literary invention.” Seriously, just ask any Jewish rabbi, they’ll confirm this “fact” for you.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      John-

      Can’t you say anything that is ‘new, original, or useful?’

      Must I repeat, if ten thousand of your rabbi friends said Moses never lived, I will show you ten thousand mis-informed rabbis, or possible liars.

      The word of God has wore out every hammer against it; yours are petty and small.

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  14. The claim that people descended from Moses and the festivals done surrounding Passover don’t actually support a claim that Moses was real.

    One example is that I can claim Thomas Paine as a descendant. Some people might think that’s the pamphleteer. He wasn’t; he was a sergeant in Washington’s army. Another example is of festivals that people celebrate without any question as to their origins. Christmas used to be Yule until Roman Catholicism took it over; Halloween used to be All Hallows’ Eve which used to be Samhain. If your line of reasoning is correct, it would mean that all festivals can point to supernatural beginnings if they make the claim.

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    • archaeopteryx1 says:

      Many cultures have celebrations of Springtime, the Vernal Equinox, when crops can finally be safely planted. It wouldn’t surprise me, considering the time of year that passover is held, if at one point in the far distant past, it likely held a similar significance.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      sbizinus-

      If you had said that ‘festivals done did not prove a claim,’ that would have been stronger; still untrue, but stronger.

      To say it does not SUPPORT a claim……….that is exactly what it does; it helps to hold up, it withstands closer scrutiny, it aids and abets all the warp and woof of scripture.

      There is no ambiguity nor shortage of proof. the narrative is reliable and has withstood the test of time, kind of like the same proof found in the heavens.

      But tkx for the visit.

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      • Actually, CS, “prove” would be a weaker term.

        By support, I mean that it does not make your proposition that Moses actually existed more true. You could word it differently to say that your claims do not help to hold it up, help it to withstand closer scrutiny, or aid and abet the structure of scripture.

        More examples abound of festivals that exist, with lore that surrounds it, and yet that lore is not true. Santa Klaus, the Easter Bunny, Saint Nicholas…all are associated with Christian feast days.

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  16. Planting Potatoes says:

    very informative piece of writing – great read!

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