‘But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men.’ 2 Timothy 3.9
I’m pretty sure the camp of the unbelievers would close up shop if it were not for the success, influence, and strength of believers testimonies. At Ms. Neuronotes place, (who loves to write articles on the so-called decons) she is running a post regarding shaming and framing having to do with Christ.
The post itself is predictable.
But I have to wonder what book Ms Notes read to arrive at such conclusions. Where she sees darkness I see daylight. Where she sees despondency, I see hope. Where she sees bitterness, I see sweetness. As it was with the learned men who brought a woman to the Lord to trap Him, it was all about the point of view. They saw her on the radar of sin, but somehow their own blip escaped their notice.
During the ensuing commenting, lo and behold, yours truly is a bit of fodder for the side-show. Not sure if it’s a compliment or an insult…but in the essay, which is bizarre to the nines, it’s doubtful a reasonable person without a bone of bias, could walk away not thinking something is rotten in Denmark, notably agreed upon by the cadre of proud non-believers and disciples of decadence.
This expose is a little important anyway, not because of the defamatory or personal insults, but here we get a glimpse into the dark world of deceit, cloaked in honest discourse. To any who have dealings with militant unbelievers, a few of your concerns will no doubt be answered.
(I have made the link un-hot, since the author does not allow pingbacks with my site. If you wish, you can always find it)
The opening sentence:
Every day I read blog posts from people who’ve left the faith, Christianity, and the relief they felt realizing that it wasn’t their fault that Jesus had to die an agonizing death. Their years of anxiety and low self-esteem, wanes. Their shame slashed. Still, for many, it may take quite a while to overcome years of indoctrination from shame/fear based religions.
It’s a shame really, for people may leave a ‘religion,’ but you never hear of them leaving Christ. Quite telling. As if the hand could leave the body without agreement from the head. The apostle Peter had it right: Where will we go Lord?
You should know, that Ms. Notes does not post my comments, which are always in good taste, true, and short. This is relevant to what follows.
To be the object of commenters on a bloggers post who has nothing to do with me………kind of odd really. To be the target of derision, to be oh so at the top of people’s minds, one could draw a few conclusions. For a little context.
Mr. Tildeb said this in response to the essay by Notes: (emphasis mine)
I see little if any difference between mental illness exhibited by dysfunctional behaviour and mental illness exhibited as pious behaviour. It’s interesting to me how many of us generally try hard to avoid associating with the former but are willing to publicly embrace and respect the latter!
After the usual mocking of God, believers, and long-winded insignificant, unrelated, and lame comments regarding everything but the post, a man brings to the table a few names:
“IB, SOM, David, Brandon and Colorstorm”
And Ms Notes continues by adding fuel to the flame:
They are considered the norm in the Southern region of the U.S. Perfect examples of the power of indoctrination and self-indoctrination which can and does lead to psychosis because it can and does cause temporolimbic overactivity and hippocampus atrophy.
Ouch. I smell the scent of arrogance and exaggerated elitism………….
To which the ‘little stone god’ jumped in immediately and commented with words unfit for my site. After a barrage of pics, depraved thoughts and words, Carmen adds this;
As usual, you have drawn the most insightful comments – isn’t there a line about being judged by the company one keeps??
To which Ms. Notes adds:
Dopamine can plummet keeping them on a cycle of “renewal” and “re-dedication”. Crafty Christianity — the deceptive lover.
Yep, mockery of the son of God is apparently insightful. Ashley converses with Notes, then adds this:
I have been over on ColorStorm blog and I have adopted the Socratic method when conversing with him. It is rather unfortunate, but certainly not unexpected, in that it appears as though it has not yielded any meaningful discussion and just turns out to be him making the same unsupported assertions and statements. My hope is that my questions will cause other people who read them to see his blog for what it is – namely a place to state that scripture is always correct, that he’s right no matter what, and that any questioning of assertions and positions is futile because all paths lead back to god.
This confirms what I have been saying for years: there is a desire to plant seeds of doubt; but there is zero interest in truth. As if it is possible for Ashley to ‘make progress,’ Peter asks him:
How are you going with ColorStorm?
To which Ashley offers: (and I remind you to see how far this very strange commenting thread has strayed off radar)
How am I going with him? Nowhere really. Take a look for yourself. I’ve posted on “According to what?”, “Whoa, don’t plant that seed”, “Logic? Ha!” and “Fiddling and Burning”. The end result is always the same. Scripture is god’s word and it’s always right. End of discussion.
He adds a bit more of guile:
I’m not expecting much, but I guess I am having a little fun watching him tie himself up in knots. I am actually quite surprised that he is willing to let me continue. I wonder for how long…..
Now that is a funny line: ‘….tie himself up in knots.’ Tildeb lays bare his crafty hand:
Direct attacks often implant a seed of doubt, a watering of an existing doubt, exposing true believers to people and ideas that are contrary to what they believe yet seem reasonable, personal, successful, intelligent, moral, ethical, and good citizens. The cognitive dissonance alone is means to start the deconversion process…………………
Direct attacks work.
Ashley found a friend and states:
Interesting point that you bring up about what a “direct attack” actually is.
In my approach to CS, I decided to try something completely different. I do ask questions, but I also point out the flaws in his thinking and use his own words against him in subsequent posts and I avoid the angry outbursts and swearing and other such things. Oddly enough, I don’t feel the urge to talk to him that way. Whereas someone like av8torbob just comes across to me as an extremely arrogant, know-it-all smartass, CS doesn’t. He comes across as a very brainwashed and deeply deluded individual – so much so that I kinda feel sorry for him.
Did ya catch that, ‘flaws in my thinking, deeply deluded.’ Translation: I believe the word of God and say so without reservation, ambiguity, or compromise. Ashley then comes back with further proof of the atheistic playbook which has been known ahem, for ages.
I feel like my approach with CS will bear more fruit amoung the lurkers than my to-date approach with av8torbob.
To which Mr Tildeb proudly states:
CS banned me long ago.
It’s my experience that I really must stop paying any mind to those who have little if any regard for what’s true and knowable no matter how nice they may seem to be.
Uh no, how about some truth here; you gained moderation by your very efforts, and it appears I know what I am doing. But ‘little regard for what’s true?’ Ah no, that would be the minds of people who have no space in the brain for a Creator.
After a word of praise from Ashley to Notes, she writes:
“The really tricky part is trying to determine which ones are willing to be studious and curious (like you) and which aren’t (like colorstorm).
One of my biggest concerns is that Colorstorm, Tiribulus, David, IB, Wally and other conservative evangelicals are greatly contributing to, and reinforcing the cruelty, the shame, and fear. When they come on unbelievers blogs and justify and/or condone the horrific behavior of Yahweh, I can’t help but question the possibility of Stockholm syndrome, or a mental disorder where a major feature/symptom is hyper-religiosity.
Ashley returns this:
Colorstorms blog is the first Christian one I’ve ever commented on. I was kind of going back and forth on whether or not I should continue, but I think I will, for as long as he continues not to moderate or censor me.
I agree with you in that anything I say is unlikely to put a dent in CS’s or any of his deeply committed followers brain, but leaves doubt with the lurkers.
Followers? You do mean followers of Christ right? But read once more:
The seeds of doubt ‘planted’ which unbelievers wear as a badge of honor. Yep, believers are on the radar and game plan by they who ‘say there is no God,’ and as far as the circus or sideshow? Uh, the comments alone by the haughty should send a wake up call to the fence sitters. Engage the brain.
This is the group representing the intellect of unbelief? Hmm. And to the believer: there is nothing new under the sun. 😉