Circuits down but the word is good

In the neverendingstory of the unbeliever’s or so-called atheistic world view, I received a most highly decorated accolade:

‘You are simply a indoctrinated imbecile.  Please go away, you pathetic excuse for a Christian.’

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Why pray tell was I so honored with such laurels? Ha. Because I supposedly cannot furnish proof outside of scripture for the existence of the Lord Jesus Christ, you know, the man from Nazareth, Galilee, born in Bethlehem, suffered under Pontius Pilate, buried in Joseph’s new tomb, raised from Golgotha’s hill, seen by myriads, yeah Him.

It is alleged that the Koran, the Gita’s, the Veda’s, the Pita’s, and the book of Cheetah’s provide as much ‘evidence’ of all the gods one could want. Sorry for the humor, but this is sadly funny.

The true God has no competitors, and loses no sleep with idols who can collectively neither count to ten nor tie their shoes. There are knockoffs in every age, as vendors do not care if you know the difference between Vera Wang and Vera Bradley, Ralph Lauren or Ralph Malph; Prada or Pravda, they just do not care. Much can be said for imposters, and they are a dime a dozen., but sadly they traffic in the realm of the spirit too.

The word of God, aka the Holy Bible, stands alone as the monarch of books. It has withstood every ferocious attack and stands tall, resolute. It has worn out every hammer and is dentless. As a matter of fact, its contents reveal the bent of humanity in ways where men’s wisdom is automatically ruled out.

The very first verse of scripture explodes with knowledge of space, time, and matter. ‘In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.’ ‘He made the stars also,’ once more words of understated power, elegance, and infinite beauty. There is no other book on earth with such simple majesty. Of course not, as God’s word is set apart and light years ahead.

The God of scripture is confirmed by nature, arithmetic, the alphabet, science, music, love, male and female, men and women, birth, death, art, buildings, you name it, all sing the recognizable song of truth.

So Pilate asked the Lord: ‘What is truth?’ and received a still answer. Not answering is not the same as ‘no answer.’ There is much to be learned from not playing reindeer games. The Lord could have said: ‘The truth about what? Sin? Death? Architecture? Music? Arithmetic? Alpha? Aleph? Omega? Beit? Water? Rainbows? Language?  Noah? Fire? Leprosy? Blindness?

But He who is the way, the truth, and the life, simply uttered a terse word. NOW His kingdom would not be from hence, a statement that Mr. Pilate found harmless in its absurdity, or so he thought.

But me, I have no proof except my indoctrination! Yikes I am so pathetic because I actually believe the good book, unlike those OTHER christians who are I suppose fine examples of progressive thought for agreeing with the unbeliever that scripture cannot be trusted.

Yeah, they are applauded for only believing the proverbs and a few Psalms; God forbid a literal and physical resurrection by God would be on the radar of truth. Well guess what? I prefer the company of men who recognize the innate worth of the human conscience; one that understands God’s word is good,  and one that knows death is a severe but temporary short-circuit of life.

God is genius that way. This is why I am an imbecile because it’s my fault others will not see. Uh huh, sure. It is man who alone is created in the image of God. It is man who can move a 16 ton rock because of his creative genius, one that is missing in action by a thousand gorillas who together cannot spell ‘cat’ nor hammer a nail.

So then, why do I cite a believer from years ago, an Austrian Jew, one unsurpassed in scholarship and learning, and long before men walked with the crutches of the internet to soothe his ignorance? Because Jewish men of renown are not supposed to believe in the Messiah of Israel. It is so passe doncha know. But many good Jews understand the circuitry of the Creator.

Remember that quiet great man of God Mordecai who was instrumental in the life and times of Hadassah, then Queen Esther? Or Daniel, and his friends, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah? Remember the old man Simeon who died in peace knowing Israel had its long anticipated Visitor? Remember that master of Israel Nicodemas who should have known the serpent on the pole was but a harbinger for better things? Remember Reb Gamaliel who offered sage advice regarding the son of God?

So Mr. Edersheim is one more in a long train of believing Jews, willing to endure the shame for the sake of the name.  People  b_tch about his scholarship, and guess what? They care not to look into his claims, because the conclusions require a verdict.

Give me evidence! is the cry from near and afar, being blind to the evidence that has satisfied men since the beginning of time. The creator of water has proven himself by the instant ceasing of the raging seas by a mere ‘Hush!’ The Maker of the eye has proven Himself by that lovely quiet word: ‘See,’ spoken to he who never saw the color blue.

We have more tools today for seeing the evidence of the Creator which is confirmed by the son of God, yet a thousand more excuses for our blindness. And the greatest of this evidence? A silent heaven which testifies to the grace of God.

We cry for God to ‘do something,’ yet in the immortal damaging words of old, we can agree: ‘ye know not what ye ask,’ for we really do not want God to intervene. Scripture is plenty clear on that. It won’t be pretty, so we gripe about a silent heaven, while being blind to the grace of God, which patience by the way, will one day expire.

That man-made idol evolution, has also been but a smokescreen, and has not produced a single worthy argument WHY God is still on the lips of they who say He does not exist. Quite odd, that the greatest evangelists of godlessness cannot follow their own advice. Back upstream to this: the divine wiring cannot short-circuit.

Evidence! is the buzz word played by the magician to an audience of itching ears. How is the Lord Jesus Christ revealed as Creator as opposed to the thousands of gods to select from is the cry. Easy.

All the gods collectively cannot lift a feather. They are deaf, dumb, and blind, but highly popular to a crooked heart and eyes that suffer from double vision. There is one God, and nature responds to its maker. As death is the ultimate natural disaster, so too does the Creator remove its sting by a simple word such as ‘Arise, come forth.’

Lazarus was plenty of evidence for the salt of the earth then, it is certainly fine evidence for me today. Two plus two equalled four then, it still equals four today. Truth does not change. Alpha and Omega are equally still intact. 24 hours in the day are still perfect.

And the last time I checked, the stars above are still in place also…and still singing the exquisite tune of the Creator. By the Lord Christ do all things consist. We have His word on it, and that word is very good.

(Yes, up top it should read ‘an’ indoctrinated imbecile, but I would not want to be accused of tampering with another’s words. And as an aside, doncha wonder what in the world a christian would look like who is not a pathetic excuse…)

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141 Responses to Circuits down but the word is good

  1. The Bible is indeed a great book.

    But since atheists believe that everything happened all by itself, the same would have to apply to the Bible.

    One might ask, what is more imbecilic, the notion that everything just happened all by itself or that the Bible couldn’t possibly be the blue print for Western Civilization and beyond.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Now there’s a thought. God’s word ‘happened’ all by itself.

      This genuinely distinct book of history from man’s past to present, then future……..was dialed up by itself or even a few punks on a computer.

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    • Arkenaten says:

      The bible was written by men, and we know more or less how and when.
      It has been altered, plagiarized, in some areas quite extensively edited. It suffers from interpolation, pseudo-epigraphic entries and outright forgery.

      In places it is historically inaccurate. As it is geographically.

      To accept it as the inspired word of a deity is the height of irresponsibility.
      To accept it as the be all and end all of anything is equally irresponsible.

      And to so would be the height of imbecility.

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      • ColorStorm says:

        May I refer you to the book of Jude. Thank you.

        ‘Ungodly speeches sort of sums it up.’

        and the context is ‘blackness of darkness.’

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      • God works in mysterious ways.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Marvelous! What a truly inspired contribution.
          I should have actually used that line myself.
          Well done, SoM. Kudos!

          ( CS NOTES:The context of SoM’s observation was an answer to God’s written word appearing as if a junkyard dog assembled a car using rusted parts. It is in no way original, nor implied. Any careful reader would notice this)

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        • Ark,

          Of course I was being ironic.

          The truth is, everything you say in your comment is not only irrational but irrelevant.

          First it assumes (hallucinates) that the Bible had some original, pristine form which is obviously absurd.

          Second, the Bible is a Christian tome. They can add, subtract, edit and revise it anyway they want.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Of course I was being ironic.

          You were? Gosh! Who would have guessed this from you, SoM?

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          blockquote>Second, the Bible is a Christian tome. They can add, subtract, edit and revise it anyway they want.

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          As they have been doing done for a long long time.

          As all professional editors are aware, there are certain instances where editing works of fiction are an on-going process.

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        • Ark,
          Thanks for agreeing with me that your comment is completely meaningless.

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  2. last I checked, following Jesus was a free choice…you follow or you don’t…nothing about indoctrination in free…or so last I checked…
    and the moniker of imbecile is simply one poor soul’s opinion…
    but based on what I wonder…Is it based on your choice to be free and follow whom you so choose? Reminds me of those who probably watched Noah building that silly arc of his….no rain in sight…silly old man…imbecile some probably said…and then it rained.
    But wait, I forgot…that was just a fairytale of indoctrination….
    silly me….

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  3. on the wings of a dove….

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  4. Nan says:

    As you know, CS, you directed me to this post as a result of the the video I posted on Ark’s blog.

    I read it … and what did I take away? That you are convinced in your heart of hearts, your soul of souls that your god is the be-all, end-all “true God.” That you are persuaded the Bible is the “word” of this “true God.” That all who believe otherwise, who ask for some kind of evidence to verify your god’s existence, are blind to “His” creations.

    The thing is, CS, your brain is wired according to your belief systems and perceptions of life … and this wiring literally creates your reality. At some point in the past, you formed a belief in the Christian God. This belief is reinforced by the words in a collection of books written many centuries ago, and strengthened by the “testimony” of those who share your belief.

    There is no right or wrong about any of this. It is what it is. Those who attempt to counteract your belief system will do one of two things: (1) reinforce what you already believe, or (2) create doubt, which may or may not lead to new beliefs. The strength of your belief system will be the determining factor.

    Final comment: Personally, I simply cannot believe in something that supposedly exists somewhere “out there.” I used to, but through personal experiences, considerable reading, and deep reflection, my outlook changed. Perhaps someday yours will change as well. Then again, perhaps not.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Tkx nan for the pop over visit. I won’t bore you with an answer as yet; maybe one of the other believers will enjoy your observation and jump in.

      But seriously, tkx for reading.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Sorry nan, but ‘the wiring literally creates your reality……’ is pretty much your projected illusion.

      The reality is in fact wired into you.at birth. It has the fingerprint of God. It takes quite a bit of hoop jumping to ignore the obvious.

      ‘Things’ laying around on the ground do not ‘think’ themselves arms and legs, blood, a brain; need I go on.

      A table is not a result of a tornado spinning through a lumber mill.

      Connection? Uh yeah, ‘God said let there be light,’ and it was so.

      It is not intellectual inferiority to believe in one greater than ourselves.

      The scriptures confirm what we instinctively know. We are in fact separate from the animals.

      And something out there? Have you ever heard me come close to saying this? No. Not today. Not yesterday. Not ever.

      God is not far from us as the good book says.

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    • Citizen Tom says:

      @Nan

      I suppose you are superior because you have overcome your wiring? What a silly idea! Throughout much of human history, people have been pagans. Pagans do not really believe in a Supreme Being that looks anything like the God of Abraham. What the believe in are gods that can manipulate with proper “worship”. God is distinctly different from the gods, and He make far more serious demands. He wants us to love Him.

      If there is any “wiring” that keeps us from the Truth, the proper label for it is pride. Truth is what it is. It exists apart from us. We don’t know the truth simply because we are smart. Those who disagree are not ignorant simply because they are defective. To know the truth to the extent we can we must prize it above our egos.

      God is truth, and the truth of God is a threat. In the shadow of the Supreme Being we fear we will cease to exist. Thus, we fear to admit of His existence. So it is we can only know the truth of God to the extent we prize that which is true above any feeling we might have for our self. It is only when we see to understand Creation from another’s point of view (ultimately God’s) that we can begin to see around our pride in our self.

      Do I believe the Bible is the sacred word of God? Yes, but I came to that conclusion in my fifties. I was not wired to believe. I did not want to believe. I was convinced because I finally came to the conclusion that the Bible had to be true, and I came to that conclusion after carefully studying the Bible. And at that point I had to admit had I been in denial for decades.

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    • Citizen Tom says:

      “What the believe in are gods that can manipulate with proper “worship”.” = should read=”What they believe in are gods that they can manipulate with proper “worship”.”

      Time to sleep, I think.

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  5. Tricia says:

    Having just visited the sites you refer to, Nazareth, Galilee, Bethlehem, and Golgotha; places that yes, actually exist and that point to the truth of the Bible, makes the militant dismissal of the Christian God seem all the more fallacious to me.

    Your post is really brilliant in how it rebuts the emptiness of an unbelievers “argument”, which, in my mind, is tied directly to the emptiness of the soul. This creates a blindness, which limits thinking because access to the truth of God’s word is cut off, leaving room for self worship and a variety false idols to creep in.

    Oh, have to mention how much this made me laugh,”the Koran, the Gita’s, the Veda’s, the Pita’s, and the book of Cheetah’s”. Thank you for that!

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Awesome tricia, the fact that you have first hand reporting. you have seen and believed, and we have not seen and believed, and you too have not seen and believed.

      I am so happy to have such great readers, thinkers, commenters, and just plain good people. (almost said deplorable, but I nipped that in the bud. lol)

      WP is a great venue as you know. Tkx for your report from afar, and regarding this short post.

      The book of cheetah…..couldn’t resist.

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      • Tricia says:

        Ha, but “deplorable” could be also be taken as a compliment I think. 😉 Thanks for the kind words, I feel the same way about my readers too. I’ve often said as you do too that I learn so much from the comments sections, they are a vital part of the WP world. Cheers to you my friend.

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    • Arkenaten says:

      “@Tricia
      If you took the time to understand just a little more about the geography and especially the archaeology of the places you name and perhaps discuss these with a professional archaeologist; maybe you would not be so offhand with your outright confirmation regarding the veracity of these places and their history where it pertains to your own particular religion.

      Just because Jericho exists does not mean the tale in the Old Testament regarding its demise is anything other than geopolitical myth.
      Neither is there anything literal about Noah’s Ark.
      Unless of course, you truly do believe that Jericho’s walls collapsed as per the tale in the Pentateuch, trumpets and all, and there really was a global flood?

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      • Tricia says:

        I didn’t say “outright confirmation”, I said it pointed to the truth, which makes the unequivocal and militant dismal of Christianity by some a bit short sited in my view.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          No one is dismissing Christianity,and certainly not me.
          All I am saying is that for you to state that as these places exist somehow confirms the veracity of the bible is somewhat like saying the mention of London and MI5 confirms the existence of James Bond.We both know this would be silly.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Geez ark, for the love of God, your mention of James Bond with scripture is a stretch that even Superman couldn’t span.

          Talk about silly? Jerusalem is the metropolis of the earth, like it or not.

          What does it mean? Nothing. Everything. But the opposite is equally true: the veracity of the scriptures confirms the relevance of these places.

          (But you are in capable hands with tricia)

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        • Arkenaten says:

          As London is … or at last was, the financial centre of the world.
          So what?
          Having London mentioned in an Ian Fleming novel can be proven by archaeology.
          Having James Bond mentioned in the same novel doesn’t mean he is an historical character.

          That the ark is mentioned n the bible does not mean that there was a global flood as described, and we know this for a fact.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Sorry ark, the fact there was an ‘ark’ is verified personally by the Lord Christ Himself. His word is very good doncha know.

          Scripture is rather cohesive by the way; it presents truth like it or not, and protects itself from hell or high water.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Yes, odd though that only Luke mentions the ark and absolutely nothing about a global flood.
          And the archaeological record bears this out.
          There was a localized flooding, and there are records.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Uh sir, God doesn’t treat us like we need spoon fed. The book of Matthew is equally plain. Here you go:

          ‘For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark…….’

          And you may enjoy the reference in the eleventh of Hebrews. God’s word is consistently clear.

          The thing is, life continues to this day with God still pleading. He is good that way. His word is good.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          For the benefit of those fellow believers reading along could you please explain why there is no break in any record among any culture/civilization to demonstrate such a global catastrophe?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          I’m pretty certain fellow believers do not require such a ‘benefit.’

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Fair enough. In that case, for the benefit of the non-believers.
          Please can you explain why there is no break in any recorded culture or civilization anywhere in the world that would indicate such a global catastrophe.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          I really do not care what other civilizations think of a global catastrophe, other than they are children of past rebellious generations, so it’s no surprise they, like you, would mock what has once transpired.

          The continuity is understood by people who
          1. Know there is a God
          2. Know His word is good
          3. Know there will be scorners in every age
          4. Will continually ask for ‘proof.’
          5. Know the genealogies are verifiable, reliable, and useful
          6. Know that God cannot lie.

          Hope this helps, and have fun at the party at your place poking more ‘fun’ and ‘insults’ at the neighborhood Den.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          It is not a question of what they think , it is a question of there not being any record whatsoever of any such catastrophe among any culture in the entirety of humanity.

          Can you explain this omission among the entirety of humanity?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Sure. The authority of God’s word and its thunderous voice dismisses any need for verification.

          And people know the account is good and so unworthy of tampering with. God’s word tends to have the final say, and has long shut mouths of opposition.

          So yeah, He who made water knows all about water levels and depth charts.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Okay, but how do you account for the fact that there is no cultural or archaeological mention, or any break in the narrative in any society on earth since the beginnings of humanity.
          Please explain it.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Because the testimony of scripture needs absolutely no help to confirm it’s contents.

          And a thinking person will consider massive rocks at waters edge, and also know that mountains were not made from molehills.

          Then again, there are always they who think scripture is a joke, so why record what one finds detestable.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          This still doesn’t resolve the problem.
          It’s all very well claiming the Bible is innerent regarding the Flood but a) the geological record flatly refutes it and b) no culture on earth reflects this global catastrophe. So, once again please explain the reason why a global flood is not reflected anywhere in humanity’s history.
          Thanks.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          As far as a ‘problem,’ that would be your problem.

          The ‘fact’ that the earth is mostly water kinda puts a damper in your parade.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Well it always has been mostly water, more or less.

          However, this still doesn’t get to the heart of the issue, and this is:
          How do you explain the simple fact the archaeological record completely refutes a global flood and that no human culture in history records this event or,more importantly , shows such a massive catastrophe anywhere in the timeline during the entirety of human history.

          Can you explain this please, Colorstorm?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Last time ark. The ‘archaeological record’ apart from God, is severely at a loss for explaining the obvious.

          Blindness that says it sees is doubly blind.

          By the way, take a kids toy top. Spin it. What happens to it when it loses its power? Yeah that’s right, chaos.

          Now then. The earth? Water? Canyons. Rivers. Streams. It’s all there for the taking.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Agreed. All there for the taking.

          However, everything you describe did not come about as a result of a global flood. As you say, evidence is is there for the taking.
          Furthermore, there were other civilizations around before and after the biblical character, Noah and none of them show any evidence of having been subject to a global catastrophe.

          Once again, are you able to offer a cogent explanation why this is, please?

          Thanks.,

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Well lets see. Since the first hand witnesses died off…………..it’s all hearsay now isn’t it as to the offspring and the records……….

          Sooooooo, since godlessness has many employees, why should any body believe?

          Here’s a hint:
          The word of God in general, and the words of Christ in particular speaks with a certain voice that indeed there was a deluge such as the world will never see again. Case closed.

          The title of this post…………..

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Since the first hand witnesses died off…………..it’s all hearsay now isn’t it as to the offspring and the records……….

          As is the case for every society, but records survive.
          This is how historians piece together the past. As do archaeologists, paleontologists and anthropologists.
          This is why we can be certain that some of what is written in the bible is of historical significance;

          However,there is no mention of any global flood catastrophe among any human society other than the borrowed and expanded story found in the bible

          If evidence from archaeology, geology, plate tectonics etc and no human society on earth has ever reflected a global flood what is the likely answer?

          Can you please explain this?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Oh ark, how you try to piece together that which is disconnected.

          “The world that then was…………..’

          Have you any proof of this world that then was? Yet, I have a reliable source which answers all the issues of life; even such things as oak trees, elephants, whales, and a deluge which speaks to the world that then was..

          Maybe you should find another battle to fight, one that does not include the impossibility of faulting God or His word.

          (and btw, you ask for records, but you deny the accuracy and veracity of records such as the genealogies of man, so it appears the ‘evidence’ you ask for is rejected. Not too smart)

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      • Citizen Tom says:

        What you are doing is “scoffing”. That is not actually worthwhile. Anything people do is defective. Hence, Christians trying to be Christians will do an imperfect job. We will even misunderstand the Bible. What marks Christianity as special, however, is our relative successes. Without Christianity, there is little doubt the history of Western Civilization would be far more dreary.

        Yet you make an occupation of scoffing? What do you have to offer in its place? Instead of scoffing, how about a little advocacy? Are you afraid you of receiving a little critical analysis of your beliefs?

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Without Christianity, there is little doubt the history of Western Civilization would be far more dreary.

          Yes, it probably would have been. Imagine, just how many wars would be absent from history for a kickoff. How boring life would have been without the pages of history replete with fervent believers slaughtering each over make believe deities, eh Tom?
          And then there would be the throcracies and the inqusitision etc etc ad nauseum.
          I doubt Hitler would have slaughtered six million Jews if relgion was not involved.
          But you are correct. Dreary it would mnore certainly have been.

          In its place?
          Why, secular humanism, of course Tom.
          All Welcome, No Gods Needed

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        • Citizen Tom says:

          When we call something a religious belief, that is not saying very much about. When someone says they believe in God or the gods, that’s not saying very much either. Even when you identify yourself as a secular humanist, that says very little. I have to ask what sect you belong to.

          What people call a religion covers lots of ground. Nevertheless, that doesn’t stop you from lumping all the world’s religions together — as if you did not have your own religious beliefs — to attack Christianity. Like a fervent communist who attacks others as ideologues, you attack religion, and you cannot even see the irony.

          Humanism actually traces its roots back to Christianity and owes much to a Catholic priest named Erasmus. I suppose I ought to study humanism more carefully one of these days, but I think the notion secular humanism would have puzzled Erasmus. Humanism stresses the welfare of people and the rights and dignity of the individual. Prior to Jesus, historians would have been hard put to find much evidence that any society had such an interest. Why?

          James 4:1-3 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

          4 What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? 2 You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures.

          For the sake of what they wanted, our ancestors were too busy fighting among themselves, and we have not changed much.

          Are there people who do not accept the existence of God who uphold decent moral principles? I think I have run into a few. Nevertheless, most of us are naive. Because we cannot remember a time when Christian moral principles were not the norm, too many of us, so-called secular humanists included, take those principles for granted and just assume their validity as commonsense. That is, we don’t take the time to understand the true difference between what is right and what is wrong. We don’t take the time to understand how big a difference Jesus made. We don’t understand that what Jesus taught us about loving our neighbor has become commonsense.

          Unless we learn from the past and try to understand how those before us acquired wisdom, we risk never acquiring wisdom. Wisdom is something we must learn. We are not born wise.

          What if we don’t learn wisdom? Those without wisdom too often see nothing wrong with grand schemes for making other people do what they want. If your god is your self — if you only consider what is good in your own eyes — that is inevitable. And such a problem is one secular humanists have just as hard a time avoiding as anyone else. When that happens, those humanist principles about respecting the rights and dignity of the individual can easily be overlooked and set aside for the sake of “higher” principles. Then a secular humanist begins to look an awful lot like a communist or a Nazi.

          What is wisdom about? Ravi Zacharias (an expert in Christian apologetics) says there are Four Questions To Answer In Life.

          Origin  – Where do we come from?
          Meaning – Why are we here?
          Morality – What’s right and what’s wrong?
          Destiny – What happens to a human being when I die?
          

          How do you answer those questions? How do you think came to be? Why you are here? What distinguishes right from wrong? What will happen to you when you die?

          If it is all not just about you, then how do morally justify running around denigrating the beliefs of others, even attacking the belief we each have the right to practice our own religious beliefs? If you really haven’t got a clue — if you just hate religion — why should anyone care what you think?

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Referencing Zacharius immediately reduces your credibility to practically zero.
          You might just as well have quoted Craig.
          And no, I will not bother to explain why.
          Stating he is an expert on apologetics is like saying someone is an expert on farting.

          And unless you can provide evidence to the contrary we know exactly what happens to a human being upon death.

          Your questions have no relevance unless you truly believe you will burn in hell or lose out on a glorious afterlife playing Shuffleboard all day long, sipping tequila sunrises and saying,” Yo, Jesus, how’s it hanging?”

          Religion is man made.
          The concept of Hell is man made
          There is no evidence for any god
          And there is no evidence of any afterlife.

          And this is another reason why you should have limited contact with young children.

          As I stated in the first response which you glibly skirted,
          Christianity can be directly and indirectly attributed to the slaughter and deaths of untold millions of human beings since it arrival on the the scene.
          And, of course, at least six million Jews.
          Something to consider when you put you hands together and pray to your make-believe god, Yahweh.

          If it is all not just about you, then how do morally justify running around denigrating the beliefs of others, even attacking the belief we each have the right to practice our own religious beliefs?

          First, you write, and comment, in an open forum and promote your religious beliefs.
          As you generally state they are truth claims rather than what they actually are: faith claims, then there should be no problem having such claims challenged and you should have no problem defending them honorably – with evidence

          That you do not, in fact can not , produce any evidence then such beliefs have no basis or validity in any modern society, especially as you back up such beleifs with vile threats of eternal damnation, no matter how tacitly you deliver such threats.
          Ask a deconvert from fundamental Christianity what their childhood was like. I dare/em> you!

          That you inculcate such beliefs into children is reprehensible.

          And this is why I am prepared to call people such as you, Tom, out every time.
          I don’t doubt my words will have no effect on a hard core, indoctrinated fundamentalist such as yourself , but as in so many such blogs and /or forums there are always people reading along.

          Some are like you, hard-hearted and
          immovable. ( for now)
          Others are wavering and are genuinely looking for answers to basic questions that you refuse to address for fear of being caught either in a lie or with your metaphorical pants down.

          As so many are leaving your religion -in droves as a matter of fact – and reading the testimonies of those who have finally got free of Christianity is vindication enough.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          And you dismissing Mr. Z. reveals you cannot follow a line of thought to its logical conclusion. Perhaps you have never read of atheists who have thrown in the towel of their rebellion because of the lectures of Mr. Z.

          You should look into it. Some may be your friends even.

          And stop calling believers who comment here ‘liars.’ I will have no more. If you disagree fine, but your misunderstanding and false accusations are no excuse for your inflammatory and lawless ways.

          And by the way, you cannot explain love apart from parents or God. Or maybe your kids can teach you a thing or two about love as they play with their toys in traffic unemcumbered by ‘rules,’ as you watch them get run over by a truck.

          Let em do what they want! You love them after all. Yeah right. But you are a monster if you present boundaries which protect them!

          And you are correct. You provide a service to many believers here. The inability of you to weigh an argument and substitute your godlessness, reveals God’s word is true every single time.

          Now an apology to CT for ‘lying’ is in order. He hardly needs to defend himself. God’s word does a fine job of that, and THAT is your issue.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I called Tom a liar?
          Where?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Right here:

          ‘Others are wavering and are genuinely looking for answers to basic questions that you refuse to address for fear of being caught either in a lie or with your metaphorical pants down.’

          It’s pretty clear.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I stated he refused to address certain questions so as not to be caught in a lie.

          Until he actually commits to addressing the questions he is not lying and by extension not a liar.

          You like to bring the ”letter of the law”to the table and use your court analogies don’t you Colorstorm, so we can see:
          ”M’Lud that, the prosecution’s charge is spurious.
          ”Furthermore, M’lud, if Colorstorm insists he is correct in his assertion then it will become plain to everyone in the court that he is, in fact, a liar.
          ”I move to strike and ask the court to insist that CS apologise for impugning the character of my client, M’Lud.”

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Good gravy, you are also running a post called ‘liars for Jesus………….’ by your own words indicting many who frequent here……..and your impugning of another good man Ravi Z. is not too smart either.

          Circuits down but the word is good.

          And speaking of law, The Ancients has forcefully torn apart the gripes of you and your friends. Like Ravi, using reason, logic, and common sense.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Really? Methinks you are piddling in the wind, Senor Colorstorm. I should watch out for the blow-back if I were you.
          Dear old Ancients and his Make Believe Moses-Exodus is currently alone in the desert of Nowhere with ne’er a bottle of camel’s pee to quench his theological thirst.
          He has already been forced to resort to semantics.
          Like a smelly little prophet, the Lord’s Manna has dropped on his indoctrinated, fundamentalist head and made it spin. He is seeing Oasis’s among the dunes of fiction.

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        • Citizen Tom says:

          Consider these observations:
          1. Attack! Attack! Attack! You have some excellent photos on your blog. I suppose you find animals and children interesting to observe, but otherwise your philosophy comes across as pure hostility. You supposedly advocate secular humanism, but you have nothing to say about it. You would destroy Christianity, but you have nothing with which to replace it.
          2. You constantly ask for proof, but you have no respect for the truth. For example, the Bible is a history of the Jews. Jesus was a Jew, the Jewish Messiah of Old Testament prophecy. He fulfilled requirements of the Law and the predictions of the prophets. His apostles were Jews, and His first disciples were Jews. The Bible specifically condemns those who make themselves enemies of the Jews. Nevertheless, you insist upon blaming the persecution of the Jews upon Christians. That’s absurd! Wherever they have gone, the Jews have had persecutors. Why? Perhaps the problem is an angel named Satan.
          3. You have set yourself up as judge. You have condemned Christians, and you have fabricated yourself an excuse or two so you can run around the web spewing vitriol. Does doing that makes you feel good? That indicates a serious ego problem of some sort.
          4. You attack Christians, but you don’t pay much attention to what Christians say. If someone make an effort to logically counter your accusations, you just get angry and nasty. Then you try to justify your crude behavior with more accusations. You act much like a child who plugs its ears when daddy or mommy seek to provide counsel against bad behavior. Unfortunately, I suppose you are too old for a spanking.
          5. Jesus said Christians would experience persecution.

          Matthew 5:11-12 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

          11 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

          Why do some people hate the followers of Jesus? I think will forgo adding more to the words that have already been said on that subject. I am sure you have already heard enough of them.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          I’d just like to say, awesome contributions CT, and highly valued and much appreciated.

          Thank you for bring such stability.

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        • Citizen Tom says:

          Thank you. I very much enjoy your blog and your comments. I am just amazed by the stubbornness of your critics, but if Jesus had them…..

          If Jesus could not persuade everyone, we are not going to do so. We can only give testimony to the hope that is in us, and that you do well. Thank you.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          You know CT, some think we waste our time by engaging so.

          But God can take our small effort, and sanctify them for His good. It is not only good for unbelievers and atheists to see the uselessness of godlessness, but for us believers to see just how far people will travel to dismiss God above all, and strengthen our faith and prove His word.

          And thx back to you for your always valuable time and commentary done so in the most gracious way.

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        • Citizen Tom says:

          Well, I think my little debate with The Egyptian Mummy Impersonator is over for the time being. Since his last response did not invite a reply, I won’t bother him with one.

          Is it a waste of time? Well, it is always worthwhile to consider what other ways we might spend our time.

          Economics has this concept of a diminishing margin of returns. All other things being constant, the more time I spend trying to persuade a particular atheist of the existence of God, the less good it will per minute.
          😉

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        • ColorStorm says:

          You may have something there with the EMI, not to be confused with emu, that’s a riot.

          But if life itself is not evidence for the Creator, CT what could possibly suffice? lol

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        • Citizen Tom says:

          Possibility. After all, I have an engineering background and too many courses in statistics. They must be good something.
          🙂

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        • Citizen Tom says:

          @The Egyptian Mummy Impersonator

          Why you have to post your reply to my comment (https://thenakedtruth2.wordpress.com/2016/11/27/circuits-down-but-the-word-is-good/#comment-13939) in two different places unrelated to mine, I don’t know. I just guess it is inevitable that the confused will sow confusion.

          Anyway, I don’t have much interest in debating with you. So I will just point some of your fallacious logic.

          You criticize ColorStorm for coming to my support. I did not come to his support? Atheists don’t support each other? All you are doing is attacking the person instead of their argument.

          When I challenged you to explain and defend your own philosophy — with what would you replace Christianity — the best you could come up with is this?

          Replace it?
          Fresh air and the smell flowers was there before someone farted, Tom and once the fart blows away there will be fresh air and flowers.

          You don’t have anything except an empty suit, an empty suit formed of insults.

          You blow smoke continually. You fog the nature of the discussion with semantics, for example. When I say you constantly ask for proof, you say “nope”. You asked for “evidence”. Since we ask for evidence to provide proof, that’s what we call a distinction without a difference. That nonsense is not a good excuse to veer off in another direction. Such behavior is not honest, but you have not shown much respect for the truth. So of what use is it to provide you evidence?

          When CS challenges you to prove (here => https://thenakedtruth2.wordpress.com/2016/11/27/circuits-down-but-the-word-is-good/#comment-13918) — to cite verses from the Bible — Jesus threatened children, you could not do it. So you deflected as usual.

          Then please reciprocate and show me ONE verse , One text of scripture where the character , Jesus of Nazareth unequivocally stated he was God.

          Because I was amazed that anyone would make such an absurd claim (even someone who claims to be a Bible scholar), I have posts that cite scripture that demonstrate Jesus claimed to be God.
          https://citizentom.com/2009/11/15/did-jesus-claim-to-be-god/
          https://citizentom.com/2014/02/16/answering-jesus-skeptics-part-1/

          One of the main reasons the Sanhedrin wanted Jesus crucified is that he claimed to be God. The Sanhedrin charged Him with blasphemy because of it.

          It is strangely ironic. So I wonder at your choice. Your gravatar is appropriately a coffin, a thing filled with a dead man. Until you accept Jesus Christ, you risk becoming exactly what you portray yourself to be.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I posted two comments as the first one did not initially appear and I presumed I had made an error and not posted it.

          You have NO EVIDENCE which is why you bleat like a lost lamb in the hope that someone will cuddle you an keep you safe from the nasty horrid atheist.

          The biblical character , Jesus of Nazareth never, ever once said he was Yahweh (your god) and there are several places he not only flatly denied it, but based on what whoever wrote the gospels stated, it would be utterly absurd to suggest he was, as, for example, who the hell was he talking to upon the cross when supposedly cried out:
          .” lama sabachthani”.

          or who was he praying to in the the garden of Gethsemane?
          Himself?
          These are some of the blatantly obvious examples that show the character Jesus of Nazareth was not Yahweh.
          The Trinity along woth the god hood was devised by the Roman Catholic Church.
          Go study some history and don’t come with your whining apologetics to me.

          There was plenty of life before the invention of Christianity and there will be plenty of life after it has been reduced to an archaic oddity.

          You smart at my supposed insults? What a pathetic s excuse for a Christian you are.
          Your ilk burned thousands at the stake, instituted wars, and condemns non believers to a Hell your disgusting church made up, and because of your religion 6 million Jews were exterminated because of a christian monster.
          How dare you have the gall to take offence at anything I say, when there is so much collective blood on Christian hands.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          ‘They believe none of it and want answers from all of it………………….’

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        • Citizen Tom says:

          Why did Jesus say “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). Have you ever read Psalm 22?

          I read that quote, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”, in the Gospels, and for years I was confused. Then I decided to study the Bible, and I finally came to Psalm 22. I was shocked into awe. Here => http://biblehub.com/psalms/22-1.htm is Matthew Henry’s explanation. Here => https://www.gty.org/resources/print/bible-qna/BQ032913 is John MacArthur’s explanation.

          What happened on the cross when Jesus died? Frankly, I doubt we will ever understand, even if we have eternity to consider the matter.

          That mystery is so great and imponderable that it is not surprising that Martin Luther is said to have gone into seclusion for a long time trying to understand it and came away as confused as when he began.

          Some say that for a moment Jesus was split from the Father, and some disagree (=> https://carm.org/jesus-cross-father).

          When I want to understand how and why Jesus suffered for our sins, both as man (Hebrews 2:14) and as God (John 14:7), I first refer to Isaiah 53. Then I read the Book of Hebrews. I believe, but I still do not understand. Mostly, I just weep when I think of it.

          Consider the typical child. When our mothers gave birth to us, they suffered a price. Both our parents labored to feed, cloth, shelter, and love us. God, as our Father, paid an even greater price for us. He sacrificed His Son on our behalf.

          The Trinity bothers you? Who did Jesus pray to in the garden of Gethsemane? Of course, the man Jesus prayed to His Father. The Son communed with His Father.

          You want me to explain God? How would anyone? How could man explain this?

          Philippians 2:5-11 New King James Version (NKJV)
          The Humbled and Exalted Christ

          5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

          When people consider the sacrifice Jesus made on our behalf, I think many just balk. The evidence is not the problem; it is the very idea of God humbling Himself that they refuse to accept. Since they would do no such thing, they are horrified their Creator would and might expect them to do the same. The horror of humbling ourselves before our Maker, the Creator of the Universe, particularly when He loves us so much, is too much. They cannot bring themselves to stoop (as they see it) so low. So why would God? They think God models their behavior, of course.

          Jesus observed both haughtiness and humility, and He explained the crucial difference.

          Luke 18:9-14 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
          The Pharisee and the Publican

          9 And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

          Do I smart your insults? No. It is not me you are mad at. You spout the same drivel at every Christian. It is God you have a problem with, and that is your loss and your choice.

          It seems to me you confuse the force of a loud and vehement objection with a good argument, which you do not have. Can I stop your noise and you nonsense? No, not rightfully. Everyone has the right to be stupid.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Once again an apologetic tome, designed to make weary the reader thus allowing you, the indoctrinated yet ignorant fundamentalist to jauntily wander off and crow.
          You have never been able to produce a good argument hence you continual bait and switch.
          I reiterate, it is only through disingenuous interpretation are you able to arrive at the absurd notion that the character , Jesus of Nazareth make any claim he was your god, Yahweh. As evidenced by the text he denied it … on numerous occasions.
          Hoisted by your own petard, Tom.

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  6. Wally Fry says:

    Indoctrinated huh. Yeah ok. That’s the stupidest thing I ever heard. I can certainly say nobody indoctrinated me. I believed, then I suppose I indoctrinated myself LOL.

    @Nan

    “There is no right or wrong about any of this. It is what it is.”

    Then why are so many consumed with combating it? It is what is after all.

    “personal experiences, considerable reading, and deep reflection, my outlook changed.”

    @ Nan again. And this is a serious question, and hope you will take it that way. You believed, now you don’t, I assume you were not a kid when this happened. You were grown. You read, reflected and had personal experiences. Now you don’t believe.

    I also lived one way for years…and years…and years. I had a personal experience. I have read. I have reflected. Now my faith is like stone.

    Here is my question for you and yours. Why is your personal end a sign of how smart and enlightened you and yours are…..but MY end is a sign of indoctrination, imbecility, and possible mental illness?

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    • Nan says:

      Did I write anything about your personal end being “a sign of indoctrination, imbecility, and possible mental illness”??? I don’t THINK so!! Nor did I give any indication that my end is a “sign of how smart and enlightened” I am.

      Please do NOT put words into my writings! Also, please do not confuse me with others who do tend to take a combative tone when discussing God and Christianity.

      I mention my past experiences in Christianity to point out that I’m familiar with how ColorStorm, you, and other believers see the world. Obviously, I no longer agree with this outlook, but this doesn’t make your experiences any less real. (Perhaps a little misguided, but real nonetheless. :-))

      Personal experiences are the impetus behind many who believe in God. The problem arises when believers try to use these experiences as proof or evidence that their god exists. For non-believers, this simply isn’t good enough.

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      • Wally Fry says:

        Nan. I certainly didn’t mean to put words in your mouth.

        It is, however a theme that runs rampant in certain quarters. I suppose you being in those quarters shaded my thinking.I should have clarified my comment more than I did.

        Perhaps another would be willing to help out?

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        • Nan says:

          It’s true, Wally, that we often judge others by the company they keep. But this isn’t always an accurate portrayal of the person you’re interacting with. Probably best to consider each person on an individual basis, don’t you agree?

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Well you know Nan I completely agree

          Not only that but been guilty of the opposite

          Its an issue as people seem to have no desire to actually see what another person is really about

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  7. Salvageable says:

    Of course the first century Jewish historian Josephus mentioned Jesus–but the doubters are convinced that Christians have tampered with his history. The Talmud also refers to Jesus and his disciples–but the doubters are sure that Christians somehow tampered with the Talmud as well. Tacitus and Pliny mentioned the followers of Christ, and Nero had many of them executed, but just because he had followers in the first century doesn’t prove that he actually existed, I guess. J.

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  8. Keith Haney says:

    Great post. You surprised me with the title. Nicely done.

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  9. Arkenaten says:

    Have you any proof of this world that then was?

    You mean evidence, of course.
    Why yes, there most certainly is evidence. Here, let me enlighten you a little and you are at liberty to fully investigate each and every one if you are so inclined..
    The archaeological record.
    The anthropological record
    The paleontology record
    The geologic record

    And, as I have mentioned numerous times, not a single break in the entirety of the human societal record that would even suggest a global flood catastrophe as written in the bible.

    However, there is definite evidence of a localized flooding recorded in a story that predates the biblical tale,from which this tale was lifted, and expanded.

    You know which one I refer to surely?

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    • ColorStorm says:

      If you think your argument is worthy because you repeat it….just remember that you are bringing the identical gripes that have been levelled at Noah himself…….while he was building the ark………..

      ‘No God Noah!!!!’

      You are a child of rebellion ark, you are a child of unbelief.
      You are a screaming child who asks for proof when you ignore the proof of life itself.

      Your song and dance is tired, old, unoriginal, and it is so boring. Go ahead and cite the Lord Jesus Christ as a liar.

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      • Arkenaten says:

        Smile.
        Not even mainstream Christianity accepts the veracity of Noah and his ark.
        Only silly biblical innerantists and Creationists hold on to this nonsense any more.
        So, if you wish to level your indoctrinated rhetorical pejoratives at me I am content in the knowledge that i have the majority of Christians on my side as well.
        Oh, the sweet irony.
        What a truly silly person you are.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          So your argument is against ‘mainstream’ eh.

          The word of God stands alone and needs not my help to make it credible. It has withstood every nauseous attack and insult; kind of like David against that petty, puny, and pontificating pride strutting large oaf, Goliath of Gath.

          His loud mouth was dismissed in a hurry. Fortunately, God’s patience is on display today.

          ‘Majority of christians on your side…………..’ What a strange alliance. Especially since these ‘moderates’ at least believe in God. You may want to run from such embarrassment.

          Read my other posts on the flood. You have wore out your welcome on this topic.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          You seem to be wallowing a little there CS.

          Creationists of your kind are a breed apart when it comes to the ”Faith”, as you are most surely aware.

          To consider there is absolute veracity to the biblical tale of the flood is to put oneself on the fringe, not only of reality but also of Christianity per se.

          And quoting more irreverent tales from the bible only weakens you case further.

          Truly, to anchor one’s faith in myth is to separate oneself from humanity and confine oneself to a life of delusion.
          I feel fairly confident that even a full on Christian such as Tricia, as much a fan of you hyperbole and rhetoric as she seems , will not board the bus you are driving, CS for fear you will steer it straight off the cliff of common sense.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Take a lesson from the common cow. Actually chew the cud and think before you rattle off your ignorance.

          God’s word is good as gold. After all, He made the gold.

          And read again the title of this post: circuits down………even Major Tom faced the reality of his own distance.

          You should try it. God is not far from each of us………if you face your own stubbornness.

          God is the God of Abraham, Daniel, Moses, Job, Isaac, Jacob, and yep, Tricia. No rhetoric needed.

          Good men and women have known this for ages.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          God is the God of Abraham, Daniel, Moses, Job, Isaac, Jacob, …

          So, the man-made deity as featured in the historical fiction of the Pentateuch.
          Excellent! Got it in one.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Uh no ark, men are too stupid to create a God which spells out the treachery of the human heart apart from its maker.

          God is good like that, just like this post suggests. Here, let me quote:

          The word of God, aka the Holy Bible, stands alone as the monarch of books. It has withstood every ferocious attack and stands tall, resolute. It has worn out every hammer and is dentless. As a matter of fact, its contents reveal the bent of humanity in ways where men’s wisdom is automatically ruled out.

          You said bye already….

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Men have been creating gods since they first learned to pronounce the word ”Ug” and point to the sky!

          You merely changed the word and now refer to it as Yahweh.

          It has worn out every hammer and is dentless.

          History flatly refutes your assertion and the situation is improving every minute of every day.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Sure, men have been creating gods since day one. They are increasing today and you are proof.

          There is the god of orlon, rayon, crayon, nylon, nike, canon, there are the gods of Hollywood, Wall street, there is the cow god, the cat god, and of course your ug god. So what. False gods are a dime a dozen.

          Ah but there is One. The true. One with whom you have to do. His word speaks of your petulance, and yet, He still pleads, patiently. He is good like that.

          And yes, all your hammers are plastic toys making no sound as you have no new gripe, and your tongue will fall off before you can come up with one blemish against God.

          Thought you said bye…………

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        • Arkenaten says:

          As I mentioned, history is quite clear that your position is false and the number of christian cults is evidence of that in the first instance.
          Furthermore, that so many, former believers as well as professional clergy of all stripes are leaving the faith is another example of what happens when critical thinking skills are employed and the empty threats of vacuous doctrine begin to ring hollow.

          People will only tolerate empty promises for so long,CS, and they are walking away in droves.

          It is not a question of if but rather when.
          So enjoy it while it lasts.
          Evidence will always back truth and will render your rhetoric the stuff of bad fantasy.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          A ‘christian’ cult does not exist. Call it a sect, a way, but a ‘cult’ in the manner of David Koresh, eg, is pure myth.
          ‘Former professional clergy…….’ Key word there: Professional. They have fallen to doubt and despair for also sitting in judgment of God and His word. Not too smart.

          3.Critical thinking? As in you thinking a prairie dog ‘grew’ into an elephant? You may want to amend your ‘critical thinking’ skillset.

          Empty promises? Ha, I got news for you. God has perfectly stated that ‘in the world ye SHALL have tribulation…….’

          5.Evidence? I have life as evidence. What do you have………..

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        • Arkenaten says:

          As in you thinking a prairie dog ‘grew’ into an elephant?

          This is the domain of Young Earth Creationists, CS.
          Surely you are familiar with their worldview regarding evolution?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Fine, I’ll amend it just for you:

          As in you thinking a brainless pebble grew into a prairie dog……..

          You cannot escape the truth of the Creator and His word. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever. God is God. And like the post states: His word is good.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I have never subscribed to the Stone Dog Doctrine to be honest.
          This sounds more up your alley, CS…. You know, ”Yahweh can do anything he wants” type of thing.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Sure you do. You subscribe to the doctrine. Without God there is no truth.

          Bye once again.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          How many times must you be told that all the gods combined cannot count to three nor tie their shoes.

          Now, as to God……….that’s another topic completely, by which your repetitive question speaks of a no true desire to know………….since you have been told a thousand times by a thousand people.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Yes, but which god do you genuflect to. What’s its name?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          For the sake of believers who will appreciate, and of course to confirm what they/we already know by experience:

          His name is Wonderful. His name is El Elyon, the God Most High; His name is El Shaddai, the God of the breast, whose nearness and dearness cannot be measured; He has many names, all depend on relationship; He is I am that I am; He is the Comforter who has soothed many a heart for countless years; and of course God has given Him a name which is above every name, a name in which all thankful hearts revere; and a name before whom all men will bow the knee, in happiness or sadness.

          And of course there is that name in which dwells all the fulness of God, that men may know that God is for us, in the midst of a world gone sideways, and that name is the Lord Jesus Christ, who currently patiently abides the right hand of God, according to the scriptures, until…………..

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  10. Arkenaten says:

    @Tom.

    He make far more serious demands. He wants us to love Him.

    Interesting.
    Offhand, can you name/think of any relationship that truly blossomed where one partner demanded to be loved from the other, especially when the threat of eternal damnation and torture awaits for the individual that does not accede to this demand?

    This sounds very much like the behavior or a psychopath.
    And what sort of person would willingly give in to such a demand?
    Well, certainly not a stable, fully compos mentis individual, who was free of any form of coercion.

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    • Citizen Tom says:

      You have never had a child, obviously. Otherwise, I pity your child.

      How did we ever learn to love?

      1 John 4:19 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

      19 We love, because He first loved us.

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      • Arkenaten says:

        I helped raise two kids actually.

        I take it by your response you obviously agree with the idea of threatening your children with eternal damnation if they do not choose to love your narrative construct, Jesus of Nazareth?

        Nice daddy you were then.
        I hope you don’t have much contact with kids these days.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Show us unlearned and ignorant believers ONE place in scripture where the Lord Himself threatened children if they chose not to love His ‘narrative construct.’

          Show ONE text of scripture, just ONE place, where the Lord threatened children if THEY did not believe in Him.

          This LIE of yours will be shortly documented. And no inferences, I want to see the threat itself.

          No hearsay. By the way, I have NEVER, count it, NEVER threatened a child with your vile commentary.

          It’s generally a good idea to present the alphabet before they can read. Hope you understand the connection.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Show ONE text of scripture, just ONE place, where the Lord threatened children if THEY did not believe in Him.

          According to the doctrine you adhere to, what happens to non Christian children from any culture that die before becoming christian or who grow up and die a non-Christian?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Don’t bring your magic tricks here. I repeat, since you are making the charge:

          –Show ONE text of scripture, just ONE place, where the Lord threatened children if THEY did not believe in Him.–

          The excruciating pain of your attempted faulting of scripture is in broad daylight.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          No tricks. You have my word.
          So we agree then, that Hell is a man made concept and the character, Jesus of Nazareth never, ever once preached it, taught it or threatened anyone, child or adult with eternal damnation and torture?
          This is the plain fact of the matter, yes?
          Are we agreed on this crucial point Colorstorm?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Even Houdini would be embarrassed at your sleight of hand.

          Is it possible for you to follow a line of thought, just once? Don’t put words in my mouth. Scripture is rather plain.

          Here, let me speak to you like a three year old: Are you capable of understanding calculus when you can’t even add?

          Can I teach you literature when you don’t know a from z?

          God’s word is not threatened by your moanings or inability to understand context or relevance.

          Then again, you are at a severe loss when you don’t even give God the courtesy of existing.

          But enough here, I can tolerate your stubbornnerss only so long, I am not God with infinite patience.

          (PS you may want to examine your own comments, and see where you go off the rails; you changed your game from ‘children’ to ‘adults’ midstream. The Lord threatened children? Hmm, that’s news to me, but hey, you are the ahem cough cough bible scholar who does not believe one word of scripture. Truly hilarious)

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        • Arkenaten says:

          So, your disingenuous nature rears its head once more, I see?.
          Okay, well I can play this game.
          NO problem.
          If I accept that there is not;
          ” ONE text of scripture, just ONE place, where the Lord threatened children if THEY did not believe in Him.–there is not a verse nor word,”

          Then please reciprocate and show me ONE verse , One text of scripture where the character , Jesus of Nazareth unequivocally stated he was God.

          Thanks.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          No. No game here. Maybe to you.

          Sez you: ‘If I accept there is not ONE text of scripture.just ONE….where the Lord threatened children……….’
          Now you want to play your GAME on another field………………….!!!

          No. Your entire premise was to nullify CitizenToms answers to you which were by the way, considerate.

          Your GAME is to extend a narrative. Ten thousand comments later, you with still be b_tchin about something else.

          Perhaps CTom will answer you further.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          So, when asked to play on an even playing field you not only move the goalposts but pinch the ball as well!

          There were spiteful kids like you at junior school.
          They either ended up being excluded from everything or got a clip round the ear and told to stop behaving like a little tit.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Let’s wait for someone else who can judge carefully the merits of your gripes. Let’s hear from them as to who moved what.

          Be patient grasshopper.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          The discussion was initially between Tom and I. Lets remnd ourselves that it was you who felt the need to leap into the spotlight once again and race to the rescue of your poor put-upon minions.

          Anyone would think you had no faith Colorstorm?
          Or do you simply love the sound of your own typing?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Uh sir, I was defending a friend. That’s what believers do. Besides, public blog and all that.

          But agreed, you are in more capable hands with CT.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Oh, my goodness! Do you believe Tom truly needs defending; especially from you!
          😉

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Nope.

          My words are plain enough. You insulted Mr Zacarias and I also pointed to your maligning of CT.

          Anybody unbiased could see this, and once more, nice try in steering a post off course.

          GOD’S WORD IS GOOD.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Since this was answered upstream on Nov. 30 @ 5.10, persuant to your query @ 4.57 I must conclude one of the following:

          1. you are drunk, in which case, can be excusable.
          2. you are willingly ignorant
          3. you are purposefully rebellious
          4. you have the attention span of a two year old.
          5. your memory is gone
          6. you expect a different answer
          7. you think your repetitiousness inspires validity in your godlesness
          8. you despise God
            9 you detest scripture
          9. 10 you cannot tolerate a believers confidence in scripture and the only living God.

          All of which bring your commenting to an abrupt close.

          (hope you are paying attention nan and friends at the end result of atheism)

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  11. asis17 says:

    hypocrites like you are the sole reason why mankinds are degrading day by day and having quarrels among each other. Blindly believing in something that doesnt even exist, its like saying as if there is a cup filled with latte rotating in the centre of universe. And the so called books which you told to be the evidence were also written by fools like you…

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  12. Arkenaten says:

    @ Citizen Tom

    You supposedly advocate secular humanism, but you have nothing to say about it. You would destroy Christianity, but you have nothing with which to replace it.

    Christians have been destroying their own religion for millennia. No help from me needed at all.

    Replace it?
    Fresh air and the smell flowers was there before someone farted, Tom and once the fart blows away there will be fresh air and flowers.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Ah yes, the lily of the valley. That simple flower which reeks of God’s touch, His unassuming flair for creating that scent that punishes godlessness.

      The gospel of the flower preached in the seed, made a ‘new’ life with no effort and no sweat.

      Thank you for displaying the dark mind of enemies of the gospel. Well done.

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  13. Arkenaten says:

    @ Tom

    2. You constantly ask for proof,

    Nope.Never asked for proof. Not once.
    Evidence, Tom. Verifiable and/or corroborated evidence.

    Let me give you a very good example.

    In the bible, it is written that at the time of the Crucifixion dead saints bodily rose from their graves and went for a walkabout.
    As a Christian I am certain you are familiar with this passage, yes?

    Over the years this has caused endless controversy and one fairly well known incident was the pillorying of apologist, Mike Licona, who wrote in his 2010(?) book that this event should not be regarded as literal.
    Norm Geisler and fundamentalist crew took him to the cleaners and demanded an apology and a retraction.He refused and soon found himself in serious Fundamentalist hot water, to the extent he lost his job – twice, I believe.
    Geislar pushed and pushed and eventually Licona lost his job. A married man with kids.

    How very ..er … Christian of him?

    So, you tell me, was this a literal occurrence as Geisler insists (and plenty of others no doubt) or should it be regarded as non-literal?

    If the former, would you expect there to have been some evidence outside the bible verifying this event?
    After all, there must have been a great many witnesses and we are talking about dead men climbing out of graves .

    Let’s see how honest and open you are regarding such an amazing event that, did it happen, one would expect someone other than whoever wrote Matthew, would surely have made mention of it.

    Or if this tale is too difficult, apply your mind to the resurrection of Lazarus. Similar circumstances.
    And again ,plenty of witnesses yet not a single contemporary mention.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Oh how the common flower condemns the foolishness of godlessness. And oh how the WITNESS of scripture points out the stench of rebellion.

      The life that now is, springing from a body that wasn’t.

      Yep, proof enough. If the flower is not enough proof, nothing will satisfy a rebellious heart. Have a nice day.

      But here’s a bonus:
      Who cares what other pseudo scholars say about God’s word? Your heroes of unbelief who traffic in God’s word, including rabbis, priests, lazy christians, you name it, will be dead and gone, and God’s word will have lost none of its lustre.

      Examples? Sure

      -Doctrines of devils.
      -Evil workers.
      -ungodly men bringing ungodly speeches
      -men lovers of themselves
      -clouds without water
      -foaming out their own shame……

      Love that one. Foaming out their own shame. It seems you gravitate toward this defect as well.

      Write your own blog, as this is becoming a lost cause here for you.

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      • Arkenaten says:

        Did you not say Tom was capable of defending himself? Yet here you are …. again..
        Instead of simply spewing out your nonsensical verbiage why not actually have a go at answering the question/s?
        Is it because you too fear you may get caught in a lie or are you simply too ignorant of your bible to be able to formulate an adult response that does not reek of fundamentalist apologetics?

        In reality, it is obvious to all honest folk reading along that the lost cause is yours, Colorstorm; hiding behind rhetoric, demonstrating you would much rather demean and evade and have no genuine interest in honesty or truth.
        Such is the Hallmark of your entire nature and approach to any form of criticism or inquiry of your religion.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          So sez you of me:

          ‘demonstrating you would much rather demean and evade and have no genuine interest in honesty or truth.’

          HONESTY AND TRUTH. Stop right there.

          You have cited Paul the apostle as delusional, and an inventor of a religion.
          .
          You have cited Moses as a fraud, Christ as a liar, the Exodus as a joke, the life of Christ as common, and the eyewitness accounts of many as liars, and Christianity as one more useless religions.

          You have sat in judgment of God, complained that there is no proof that the scriptures are true, and you have the unvarnished gall to speak of honesty and truth when you deny both at every turn?

          Please, for the love of God, go away and study what means honesty and truth. (and for your sake, no amount of honesty and truth will satisfy a rebellious heart. It’s in the book you know)

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        • Arkenaten says:

          You have cited Paul the apostle as delusional, and an inventor of a religion.

          I may have mentioned something about the second part a while back, (maybe) but this statement doesn’t sound like me as, in truth, I don’t think the character Paul/Saul existed and there is no evidence to suggest he did either. Though I will certainly apologize if you can find where I said these things, Especially about him being delusional.

          You have cited Moses as a fraud, Christ as a liar, the Exodus as a joke, the life of Christ as common, and the eyewitness accounts of many as liars, and Christianity as one more useless religions.

          Never ever said the character of Moses is a fraud. That is an outright falsehood. He is a work of fiction , and this is the consenus of all genuine biblical and secular scholars.
          The biblical character, Jesus of Nazareth is also a narrative construct and thus have never said he was a liar. But, you , on the other hand, are sorely trying my patience and I am tempted to level this charge at you.
          There are no eyewitness accounts. Period. And if you can produce just one verified contemporary account I will nominate you for the Nobel Prize.

          You have sat in judgment of God, complained that there is no proof that the scriptures are true, and you have the unvarnished gall to speak of honesty and truth when you deny both at every turn?
          Please, for the love of God, go away and study what means honesty and truth. (and for your sake, no amount of honesty and truth will satisfy a rebellious heart. It’s in the book you know

          I have never, ever once demanded proof. Having already stated this on numerous occasions you must either have some sort of subjective comprehension disorder or are doing this on purpose, which would suggest you are lying.

          There is only one dishonest person participating in this dialogue and he needs to de-flea his mane and wash his mouth out with soap.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          God’s word needs no verification. It is self contained, unlike any source on earth. As it should be. The Creator of all that is hardly needs to supply more proof. Denying God’s creation is asking for proof. simple really.

          Witnesses though? Sure. Above five hundred at once. Then there are Peter, James, John, Mary, the two on the road to Emmaus, and many many more, whose word far surpasses yours. Eyewitness accounts are difficult to ignore; but of course the stubborn will.

          Honesty? Uh, once more that would be God and His word.

          The issue with most people’s rebellion, as is yours, is not the information which is available, but the information which you deny.

          It is always a heart issue.

          You need not continue to be a mere tresspasser on earth. To walk on God’s good earth without recognizing Him, is to tresspass.

          And as an aside, for thousands of years people have said ‘no evidence, no proof,’ and you are one more in a long train of people bringing borrowed gripes, and God is still God.

          In my courtroom, you would be thrown out for contempt of court for insulting pure evidence.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Actually much if not all of your ”evidence” has already been deemed to be fallacious by the majority of humans on this planet.
          And this is just by ordinary folk. Professional scholars and scientists have deemed pretty much all of it is sheer nonsense.

          And most people reading along will have noticed you did not respond directly to one of my responses?
          How’s that for fear of being caught in a lie!
          Rather proves the case in point I believe.
          Or, as you are wont to say: Case closed.

          Maybe you should print out your comments ( and your posts) and add them to the soil around the roses in your garden?
          Seriously, my granddad used to swear by manure and his roses were gorgeous.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Uh sir, I just happen to know that it is pointless to flatter your alleged ‘points’ so as not to give them legitimacy.

          Let me repeat:
          I. Dont. Care. what your majority of humans’ or hero scholars deny about God and the truth of scripture.

          I. Do not. Care.

          As to lying? Ha! Let God be true and every man a liar. Truth be told, it is the greatest of lies to deny God the courtesy of existing.

          Title of the post: the word is good. The image in the camera does not lie. God reveals the perfect image, take it or leave it.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Flatter? Oh dear.
          Far more erudite and knowledgeable persons have trashed every single point you have ever made in defense of your religion.

          Let God be true and every man a liar

          And this would naturally include you of course. Makes your vacuous claims look somewhat foolish now, doesn’t it?

          And your immature ”take it or leave it” rider is the final rusty nail in your coffin of petulance.

          When you realise that you befriend not a non-christian sole(sic) with your nonsense,or help those struggling with faith issues then perhaps you should give pause and wonder why people are turning their backs on Christianity every minute of the day.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Vacuous claim? Hardly.
          Perhaps you should read more carefully.

          ‘The greatest of lies is to deny God the courtesy of existing.’ In this you do lie, and in this I tell the truth.

          And you mistake. It is not ‘take it or leave it’ to a serious enquirer, of whom you prove by every single rebellious comment that you are anything but serious.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Oh, I am very serious indeed, Colorstorm.
          For it is only through the serious application of confronting the vileness of religious fundamentalism as promoted by people of your ilk that normal people will come to realise just how it contains little but lies and nonsense.

          We see the results of such religious extremism every day with the likes of ISIS and Islamic fundamentalism. While Christianity has moved away from this particular aspect of extremism it wasn’t that long ago people like me were being burned at the stake … by Christians!
          And let’s forever remember dear Adolf shall we and what he did.
          As deranged as he was he still believed he was in some way on a mission from your god.

          Never, ever forget that!

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Uh you greatly err. But stay tuned, a post is in the works which will be more suitable for your egregious mistake here.

          So be patient, and please do not comment here further. tkx.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Oh, I can’t wait!
          Please ensure you address issues with evidence Colorstorm.
          And no waffling rhetoric.
          Just the facts, ma’am, just the facts.
          Can you do this I wonder?

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  15. Arkenaten says:

    Oh, and I would like to backtrack on this thread as the question regarding the risen saints at the time of the Crucifixion was not answered.
    Did they or did they not bodily resurrect from their graves as per Matthew?

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