A challenge to all men and women

Magnificent. Bold. Factual. Undeniable. Elegant. Eloquent. Unassuming. Powerful. Scientific. Truthful. Incontrovertible. Unimpeachable. Trustworthy.

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Such are a few fine words that describe the first few chapters of the word of God, which we know as Genesis. Now the challenge.

I dare any person on earth to find any indication, whether large or small, be it even the most tiniest traces of suggestion, that this God, who is introduced as good, is anything but very good as described in the first and second chapters of the word of God.

Since God is projected by man as a war criminal or evil, WHERE is this hint ever alluded to in the creation of the heavens, the earth, the seas, and all that is?

Oh but wait, you will look elsewhere to fabricate the idea that God is evil? Once again, really? So you will LOOK for instances that supposedly support the case of an evil God, but you will conveniently AVOID the rest of the book which presents and proves that the same God as found in Genesis 1 is actually full of grace and truth…?  Hmmm.

What other source material is deemed unworthy by reading a chapter or two without regard to its entirety? One may as well say the alphabet is evil or defective by trying to write a book using only vowels. Since when does a jury make a determination without hearing or reading a case in its entirety? Since when?

Was it God’s fault that Cain murdered his brother? WHERE did this idea spring from since murder was unknown, and there was no law that said ‘thou shalt not kill?’

Ah yes, that little troublesome idea known as ‘context.’ God is not evil. He is the same good God who spoke ‘let there be light,’ long before the sun was in diapers. He is the same good God who created great whales to play in the greatest playground on earth, long before brass was created by the ingenuity of men. He is the same good God who fashioned man and woman, long before the compass was invented, the computer, or the sun-dial.

So take the challenge. Find the slightest hint that God is evil while He created all that is, and by the way, as He upholds all things. You cannot, as your mouth will be stopped, and you will be found to be in contempt before a sound jury.

Then after your NOT FINDING that God is evil, you may want to tie your lips in a knot before you spue forth like a volcanic eruption the unbridled gall and arrogance of sitting in judging of He who created fruit trees, vegetation, water, dirt, animals, and man.

God is good, very good even. We innately know that He is, yet He was kind enough to supply a book to confirm what we already know. And as it began, so it ends, in complete goodness, where the sun will have been revealed to be unnecessary in that light which is the glory of God.

Still think God is evil? You may want to examine yourself, for unto the pure, God reveals Himself as pure, and unto the froward, he reveals himself as froward. Just ask Pharaoh. There are no defects in God. He is blameless. People though? Eh, that’s another story.

Thus I repeat:

I dare any person on earth to find any indication, whether large or small, be it even the most tiniest traces of suggestion, that this God, who is introduced as good, is anything but very good as described in the first and second chapters of the word of God.

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51 Responses to A challenge to all men and women

  1. How does the Christian explain the conundrum of suffering?

    A great deal of suffering happens naturally without the hand of man:

    disease, microbe infestation, drought, earthquake, tsunami, etc.

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    • Clyde Herrin says:

      Man’s sin affected the whole world. That is why we have such things as earthquakes and diseases.

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      • Clyde,

        That is an excellent answer for Christians.

        But Storm claimed that the Bible was scientific.

        So a scientific answer must be given in order for that claim to be true.

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        • Citizen Tom says:

          I suspect it would be adequate to explain what he means by “scientific”. The Bible is not a science text book, but it doesn’t say things are true that are not true.

          Miracles, for example, are not unscientific. By definition, a miracle is an occasion when God suspends what we consider the “laws” of science. God, being who He is, can do that.

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        • Citizen,

          There are scientific explanations for suffering that are in keeping with the Laws of Nature and Nature’s God.

          When a Christian claims that the Bible is scientific (which is absurd) he must be able to support the claim with evidence obtained through the discoveries of modern science.

          Since modern science did not exist when the Genesis was written, it makes Christians look stupid when they claim that the Bible is scientific.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Your last sentence SoM.

          I dare say Job knew more of science as in astronomy than all of the modern scientists combined.

          Of course scripture presents science, as opposed to ‘science falsely so-called,’ of which the Christian is warned to be wary of.

          You keep preaching ‘modern science’ as if truth changes. It does not.

          Read the first two chapters of Genesis, and look for the science which you deny. You should be embarrassed to chastise God.

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        • Storm,

          Where in the Bible does it say Job knew more of science than all modern scientists combined? Please give chapter and verse.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Well let’s see, since ‘modern’ scientists have erased God from His creation, one proof should do it, but I suggest you look for the answers yourself, then perhaps you will arrive at the same conclusions.

          If I spoon feed you, you will still remain both hungry and ignorant.

          No offence, but I mean ignorant in the sense of simply not knowing.

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        • Storm,

          In other words you are just expressing a personal opinion and using the Bible to make it seem otherwise.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Let me quote an ‘opinion’ far better than mine. You decide if they have merit:

          ‘If Moses can be shown to be caught red-handed, in ignorance and error; what shall we think of the Christ who quoted and referred to him as an authority?’ -a present day atheist (written in 1901)

          and again:

          ‘If it shall turn out that Joshua was superior to La Place, that Moses knew more about geology than Humboldt, that Job as a scientist was superior to Kepler, that Isaiah knew more than Copernicus, than I will admit that infidelity must become speechless for ever.’ -Ingersoll’s Tilt with Talmadge

          Silence, I am sad to say that your opinion of the men of God as recorded in scripture is entirely shortsighted, and you simply do not see their wisdom and learning which you petty much cite as clueless.

          We in 2017, do not have the drop on time tested truth. We are not ‘better’ than them.

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        • Storm,

          In other words you can’t find anything in the Bible to support your claim.

          You must abandon God and seek the counsel of men.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Silence, if you do not recognize truth when it stares you in the face, a thousand bible quotes wont help either.

          There is scripture dripping in everything I’ve told you.

          What? You want me to mention the sun and moon standing still? or the ten degree backward return on the dial of Ahaz? (ahem, cough cough, science)

          Surely you are aware though Silence of how people rape the scriptures you want quoted to promote false doctrine.

          Seriously, though, try to stay on point, the same way I tell zande. My premise is spot on because God is true.

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        • Storm,

          If it isn’t in the Bible it is only the truth according to you.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Tkx silenceoM

          But it is odd that you are finding fault with anything I said, either in the post itself, or the following comments.

          Perhaps you disagree with post itself. Seems both deep enough and simple to comprehend.

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        • Storm,

          Now you change the subject.

          That fact is, I used the same argument against you that you use against Catholicism.

          Since I am using your own argument what you have done here is…

          …give us an example of you arguing with yourself and losing.

          Atheists do that a lot. Idolaters like you do that a lot.

          Storm, you are not Christian, you are the worst kind of idolater.

          For you worship yourself and use the Bible to justify your self-worship.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          5 sighs Som.

          I am trying at all cost to get you to remain on point, per the premise of this post.

          If you think that a non believer could have written this post…….or any one of my essays for that matter…….

          Let’s just say that there is more going on with you…………….

          I’m thinking that even your latest ally, mrzande, would fault you for such an insane proposition.

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        • Storm,

          Zande is your ally not mine.

          You are the rocket fuel in his super-charged turbo engine.

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        • Citizen Tom says:

          To claim the Bible is scientific is not absurd, but it does takes the discussion where it doesn’t necessarily need to go.

          The Bible is scientific primarily in the sense that it is not in conflict with science. The diet, for example, that God required of the Jews was actually quite healthy.

          However, as you observe, modern science did not exist when the Bible was written. So it did not even occur to its authors to write anything “scientific”. They were trying to write a different kind of book.

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        • Citizen,

          The macrobiotic diet developed by the ancient Chinese and Japanese does wonders for human health.

          But it is not science.

          Science is a method for discovering the laws of nature that wasn’t developed until the Enlightenment.

          The Bible is not scientific because science had not yet been invented.

          And that is especially true because the author of Genesis was not a scientist.

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        • Citizen Tom says:

          If something is tried, tested, and works, it becomes part of our store of knowledge. Do we — have we — acquired all the knowledge we have because of the scientific method? No. So let’s not worry about the semantics too much.

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        • Citizen Tom says:

          Comment in moderation.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      There is no conundrum.

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  2. john zande says:

    Easily.

    “Contivance proves design and the predominant tendency of the contrivance indicates the disposition of the designer” (Paley, Natural Theology or Evidences of the Existence and Attributes of the Deity, 1802, pp. 258)

    What is the predominant tendency of the contrivance, CS?

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Nice job john bypassing the premise of this short post that ANY MAN cannot find any evil disposition of the Creator as I submit.

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      • john zande says:

        Then tell me what the predominant tendency of the contrivance is…

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        • ColorStorm says:

          John-

          Can you find any hint or suggestion that the God of scripture, as presented in the opening chapters of Genesis, is evil?

          I dare any person on earth to find such a proof. Since you are on the earth, this includes you.

          Will you at least agree, that the narrative, as it is written, shows God as very good for His work?

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        • john zande says:

          Why won’t you answer the question?

          I’m handing you creation. Now, answer the question:

          What is the predominant tendency of the contrivance (of that which was “created”)?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          So first, you are admitting that the scriptures, AS DETAILED in Genesis 1 and 2, present God as nothing but good?

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        • john zande says:

          Not at all… Now PLEASE answer the question without your pathetic song and dance routine.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Hmmm. You do not admit that scripture presents God as nothing but good in the creation of the sun, moon, stars, animals, plants, water, humans…………yet you somehow want me to condescend to your imaginary idea of creation not being good?

          Well, since you said please………..

          Well then let my dance routine then continue until such time arrives when you see Him as good. I have made the point. But do tell johnz, where in Genesis 1 and 2, do you see any indication that God is not good. Remember, my post, my challenge.

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        • john zande says:

          You truly are a pathetic idiot.

          Don’t talk to children. You’re ill.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Yeah it’s a shame I suppose that some kids will have to learn chess from someone with a higher iq, or learn the value of hard work, how to lay tile, build a wall, how to sew a button or tan a hide…….

          ……..maybe all children should come to you and sit and your feet, where they can learn the glories of life.

          You are barking up the wrong tree zande, then again, i suppose that you would also chastise Christ for teaching children the wisdom of Solomon.

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        • john zande says:

          Get back to me when you become an adult and answer the question…

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        • john zande says:

          Okay, so you want to ignore the motion thing that was “created.” That reveals not only how pathetic you are, but how you know you cannot defend your beliefs in a rational manner.

          But, hey, I’ll play your game.

          As per your request: Fire has always burned flesh and water has always drowned babies.

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  3. Amen! I start everything on the known truth, God is good, always. I am a moron, at least compared to God. So all equations, all ponderings and rabbits holes, must contain those two truths, “God is good and I am a moron.” If we can trust in the goodness of God and practice some intellectual humility, He will reveal to us what we need to know, He will answer all our questions. The problem being as people we tend to doubt God is good and arrogance convinces us we have all the answers already. God, like any good parent, is not going to explain things to people acting like defiant teen agers. Instead He’s just going to say, move out while you still think you know everything and learn the hard way.

    I’m with you, there is no conundrum. If we see a conundrum, the error is on our end, it is our lack of understanding creating the imaginary conundrum. Someone smart once coined the word, rational-lies. That’s how it often works, we get busy trying to rational-lies things built upon piles of deception.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      ‘I’m with you.’ 😉

      Love that. There is certainly no shadow nor variable turning with God. No ambiguity.

      The idea that somehow God is presented as evil is not an idea that comes from scripture.

      Remember that deluge? People engage their amnesia and forget that for 120 years……………God was gracious. Appears He was pretty darn good.

      But your sanctified morons………… 😉

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    • Insanity,

      If you confess to not seeing a conundrum then you are confessing to being blind.

      And since most of your posts revolve around this very conundrum then you are confessing to not knowing what you are talking about and that all your posts are just garbled rantings.

      The conundrum of suffering is the foundation of all religion and philosophy and is the dynamo that powered the development of Christian Western Civilization.

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      • Citizen Tom says:

        @silenceofmind

        The conundrum of suffering is the foundation of all religion and philosophy and is the dynamo that powered the development of Christian Western Civilization.

        It seems that you are not happy with Colorstorm’s challenge. Is it perhaps because you think it too cavalier?

        Without a doubt, many have turned from God, at least temporarily either because of the evil they experience or because of the evil experienced by a loved one. However, the Bible is fairly clear as to why God excluded us from the Garden of Eden. Hebrews 12:3-11 adds this.

        Hebrews 12:3-11 New King James Version (NKJV)
        The Discipline of God

        3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:

        “My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,
        Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
        6
        For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
        And scourges every son whom He receives.”

        7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

        Does the Bible provide a complete explanation of why we suffer? I suppose not, but we probably could not grasp the whole of it.

        Anyway, I am curious. Would you like to elaborate on that sentence of yours that I quoted?

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      • ColorStorm says:

        SilenceoM

        What in the world has gotten into you? Now you are harrassing a dear friend and valued contributor to the Den. Why? For what purpose?

        ‘blind……garbled rantings……clueless………….’ Really? In the words of John McInroe: ‘You cannot be serious.’

        You are talking to believers SoM. Believers have differing opinions, but your incessant railing at good people is unbearable and inexcusable.

        Seriously, examine yourself. My premise of this post stands unaccused and perfect. God is good, and the scriptures present Him as very good.

        You could have just as easily said: ‘true Storm. Scripture DOES present God as very good, if we believe the account……….’

        But no, you found fault with my ‘science,’ now you are chastising a lady for what? For not agreeing with your world view?

        Last I checked, her blog includes science too, this Biology thing………

        But me? Heck SoM, the facts of hydrology and irrigation and the genius of water are all laid out in lavender, (in Genesis) yet you say God’s word does not contain science………..Geez man, wake up.

        Ever heard of the fountains of the great deep? Fountains which were thought to be fictional, but just recently, ‘scientists’ have found what God’s word has always said: there are springs and fountains way below the oceans floor.

        And you say the bible is not scientific? Please. Maybe soM, you should get on board with God’s science, and not Darwins. Just sayin.

        And I will not allow your insane remarks about good people to go unchallenged in this zip code.

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    • I agree IB….

      Here is how I see it according to the Word. (Genesis 1-3)
      1) Adam had dominion over the beasts of the field, water, etc. He communed with our GOOD God.
      2) Adam lived on a plane known only as faith and life even though there was a reciprocal side known as fear and death that his eyes were closed to. It’s obvious that he knew the word death because GOOD God told him that if he ate of the tree of good and evil, he would die. However, he had no concept of what death actually entailed because he had never experienced it.
      3) When the serpent came to Eve in the garden, he said that if she ate of the fruit she would not die but her eyes would be open and that she would know good and evil; she would become like GOOD God
      4) Satan presented the world system (1 John 2:16)…Eve saw the food was good for food (Lust of the flesh), that it was pleasing to the eye (lust of the eye), and that it would make her wise (Pride of life.)
      5) Deceived Eve ate the fruit and gave to Adam. Adam ate and did sin.
      6) Suddenly their eyes were open…not to wisdom, but to the reciprocal of life and faith which was fear and death. The unobstructed communion with GOOD God suddenly came to an end.
      7) Because of this sin, Adam ushered in evil and in the process turned dominion over to satan (Matthew 4:8-9).
      8) It was our GOOD God that sent the second and last Adam (Jesus) to right the world back so that we could again have unobstructed communion with our GOOD God.

      The problem now is that we have some who don’t know the Word, or make the Word so difficult by over thinking it. God is GOOD…it was man who ushered in the bad.

      Therefore, there is no conundrum.

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  4. Tricia says:

    Good post ColorStorm. God is good, He is very good and that’s all that really needs to be said.

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  5. Nice POST ❤ ❤ ❤

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