Just a little water

(I like the quaint rebuffs from skeptics who say believers are slow of mind when it comes to believing the testimony of the monarch of books, ie, the holy scriptures.)

Let me say positively here again,  no amount of ‘evidence’ will satisfy a rebellious heart as to the nature and existence of God. None. When men cry for ‘evidence,’ they are hoping for one more opportunity to extend a narrative that has long been cancelled, that is, to simply lengthen a conversation in which the sinful heart cannot tolerate the light of day.

If life itself is not enough proof… there then is NO proof on earth to quench the thirst of the ungodly. The ‘asking’ for evidence is repulsive to common sense and to the mind of man, which is a tad different from the mind of the jackal, yet it is the unbelieving mind which acts like a ravaging beast, betraying its very nature. The jackal has an excuse.

How many times have you been asked if you believe there was a worldwide flood? Supposedly, you are nutso if you accept the simple account as described in Genesis, and verified by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. But Genesis? Oh yeah, the beginning of all beginnings. The true and only beginning.

Personally, I have seen flood waters the likes of which were darn near Noahic in a mere few hours, so yeah, it is rather easy to believe that the results of a 40 day and 40 night downpour would create somewhat of a major problem. Are you listening? 40 days and nights of non stop water.

But a few questions I would pose to the naysayer: Have YOU ever been part of a 40 day/night deluge to the degree that you can say it did not occur?  How can you possibly be satisfied with ‘evidence’ of such water if said water washes away the shoelaces you are looking for which belongs to your criminal friends who said ‘God who?’  That’s right, criminal.

The narrative of scripture is plenty of proof that God’s word can be trusted, and that back in the day, when the atheists were just about as vocal as they are today, raised a fist to God Himself, and ignored the daily pleading of that master ship-builder.

Last week when it snowed 8″, the utter weight of all that snow which rested upon the ground up and down the coast was remarkable in that snow is another opportunity for men to see that God is good. Rain appears to go unnoticed as a gift from God as a blessing from heaven, but the whiteness of piled up snow exaggerates His favour, but who notices, and who cares.

Seems to me a good idea to consider the weight of all that glory falling from above.

It is not difficult at all to believe that the Creator of the dewdrop, and the oceans of the world, sends rain from above, and opens the fountains of the great deep, which ‘deep’ by the way, has recently been discovered that there are in fact fountains waaaay beneath our feet, under water to be exact.  Very deep and quite instructive.

Scripture does not read like a novel. It is not a book on prurience or unbelievable tales. It reads like it should. To the heart, cutting quickly to the conscience and mind, it speaks of a God above all, revealed to one and all, as the only word of the living God. Sure there are imposters, sure there are bastard children who want to make a name, (does Babel ring a bell?) but God’s word has no competitors such as the dopey Goliaths with big mouths but having no strength. Mental midget’s so to speak.

But a big big flood? It’s far easier to believe that than it is for a God to justify the ungodly, without compromising His own intrinsic eternal perfection. ‘Whereby the world which then was, being overflowed with water, perished.’  So wrote the good man Peter, whose word was good then, as it is today, even moreseo credible when he also said: ‘I will never deny thee.’  And yet the cock crowed to remind him of his triple disappointment. I like Peter. And John. And Paul. And Timothy. And Titus. And Apollos. And Lydia. And Phoebe.

Ah yes, the weakness of men, and the strength of God. God’s word, very good, excellent even. But little ‘jackie’ bless the animal that he is, does not run around and gripe there be no God. So why do men play the brute beast? Easy. They worship and serve themselves, feeding their own appetites of mischief and mayhem, and loving it.

(ps- It is not the flood upon the world of the ungodly which is the heart of contention. If not that, it would be the temple of Solomon. If not that, it would be Queen Esther in the royal court. If not that, it would be Daniel interpreting kingly dreams. If not that, it would be the execution of little ones by Herod. If not that, it would be the washing of the hands by Pilate. If not that, it would have been the gravesite of Lazarus. If not that, it would have been the prophecy regarding the destruction of the temple. If not that, it would be the appearance by He to the two, or the twelve, or the five hundred at once. You see, the flood has been, and will always be a smokescreen.)

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122 Responses to Just a little water

  1. tildeb says:

    Compelling physical evidence would negate your need to ramble on about the ‘ungodly’. Funny how it’s missing where it should be plentiful… if the account were the case. Hence the need for you to hurl insults at those who are not as gullible as you because… well, because that’s all you’ve got to back up your belief. It’s pathetic, CS.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      -tildeb

      No insult. Just reporting the facts of life. If you do not accept the testimony of scripture, that’s your decision, but I’m pretty sure my postscript is spot on.

      If not a flood, then lions in a den, or ants in Proverbs. Always something.

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    • Well, here is my take. Trying to convince oneself there is no God is unwise. The point of “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’” (Psalm 14:1 and Psalm 53:1) is that it is an impious, sinful heart that will deny God. The atheist’s denial flies in the face of much evidence to the contrary, including his own conscience and the universe he lives in.

      It seems to me a lack of evidence of God’s existence is not the true reason atheists reject a belief in God. Their rejection might be due to a desire to live free of the moral constraints God requires and to escape the guilt that accompanies the violation of those constraints. “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them . . . so that people are without excuse…Their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools…Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts…They exchanged the truth about God for a lie” (Romans 1:18–25).

      Be blessed! God is with you and in a good mood.

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      • tildeb says:

        Two things, Michael: flooding leaves physical evidence. Massive flooding leaves massive evidence. Global flooding would leave global evidence. Compelling evidence. There is no global evidence. None. And it should be plentiful if the case were the fact. It’s missing. Entirely. This absence of evidence has absolutely nothing to do with not believing in some god. It’s the reality we inhabit.

        Secondly, not believing in some god does not indicate immorality. In fact, in truth, in reality, the opposite seems to be the case: the lower the rate of religiosity, the higher the rate of happiness, the lower the rates of all kinds of anti-social behaviour. Again, these are the facts your opinion stands contrary to.

        These are clues about the lack of veracity contained in your beliefs in these factual matters. Why you wish to believe in contra-factual matters is your concern and not mine. But it should be worth pondering that outside of religious framing, such contra-factual beliefs are diagnosed in the DSM-V as ‘delusional’ beliefs. That stand contrary to reality.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          And just what exactly tildeb would satisfy you as to your evidence? What could possibly be ‘found’ that you will wake up and say: ‘Gee, the scriptures ARE true after all…………………….?’

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        • tildeb says:

          A good start would be factual compatibility between scripture and reality. But even something that simple is asking too much, I guess.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Tkx for answering tildeb. In other words, NO evidence would satisfy.

          Perhaps you should reread the Genesis account, where the world was a tad different; you know, people lived over 900 years, maybe you can find old tomato seeds?

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        • tildeb says:

          No, that’s not what I said, CS. I follow evidence. I don’t ignore it. Physical evidence is how reality arbitrates our beliefs about it, arbitrates the likelihood for the kind of claims we make about it. In no way is that synonymous with your translation to mean “No evidence would satisfy.”

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  2. Arkenaten says:

    As far as I am aware only Biblical Literalists and Young Earth Creationists consider the flood tale in the bible to be factual so how do you respond to the millions upon millions of Christians who accept scientific evidence and flat out reject the biblical tale of a global flood and regard it as myth?

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Like I suggested to your brethren, read the ps at the end.

      I, like all right minded people, perfectly accept TRUE science, so unlike your professional guesswork, which is comical. Your ‘myth’ is wishful thinking; as to believers who do not accept the biblical account, you like that don’t you, as it suits your scorn, but you despise them for believing in the Christ of God as actual and factual. Quite the dilemma for you. As to them, they obviously are not taught completely in the things of God, today.

      There is always tomorrow.

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      • Wally Fry says:

        The habitual haters seem fixated that somebody hate on you my friend. Perhaps if I just called you some choice names they would go away?

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      • Arkenaten says:

        No dilemma whatsoever. Never has a Creationist demonstrated the veracity of the biblical claims. But be my guest …. have a g and if you convince me I’ll nominate you for a Nobel prize.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Every word of God is pure, reliable, and truthful. Others? Eh, not so much.

          Thank you once more for proving the darkness of atheism. A complete denial of reality. But you? Convinced? No amount of evidence can satisfy a stubborn heart. Read the postscript. Again.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Every word of God is pure, reliable, and truthful.

          Really? And where, pray tell, can we find His word and how exactly do you know it was Him doing the instructing and not those sneaky deceitful lying christian scribes, hmmm?
          Let’s be honest, we all know Eusebious wasn’t beyond a bit of creative editing in his day, right?

          Darkness of Atheism? This made me smile.
          ”Ssssss …. Colorstorm …. I am your father!”

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        • ColorStorm says:

          What part of grace and truth troubles you?

          Read the last paragraph. I will keep repeating it, as it is entirely true. Then there is Israel, and Jerusalem, and the Tigris, the Euphrates then there is water water everywhere. But maybe your godless friends can create a place absent of God. Maybe this is why Mars is a hotspot for space travel. Ha!

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Again, you lapse into time test rhetorical waffle.
          An sentence of integrity is worth a million lines of diatribe trying to justify a belief rather than simply offer genuine evidence for it.
          But I guess such an exercise is beyond your scope, right?

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    • Clyde Herrin says:

      “How do you respond to the millions upon millions of Christians who accept scientific evidence and flat out reject the biblical tale of a global flood and regard it as myth?”

      I have been a Christian for 60 years and during the first 50 of those years I believed the earth was millions of years old, just like most scientists say. I believed that because I was taught it in school and I didn’t realize that while everyone said it was a proven fact, no one ever actually told me what the proof was. I receieved a lot of teaching about the Bible but as far as I recall none of my Bible teachers ever discussed the scientific evidence for the flood. A few years ago I learned about sites such as Answers in Genesis that provided proof that the creation and the flood actually happened just as the Bible says.

      We live in a culture where evolution and an earth millions of years old are accepted as true and too many Christians just accept this teaching and interpret the Bible to conform to it rather than putting all their faith in the Bible.

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      • tildeb says:

        “Oh look… I found something on the Interwebs that agrees with me so it must be true!”

        Good grief. Looking to AIG for knowledge about reality is like looking to a guy named Barry who thinks stars are holes in a blanket that is pulled over the sky that causes night.

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      • KIA says:

        I’m sorry Clyde. If you’ve been a Christian for 60yrs, you must probably be retired. What line of work were or are you in, may I ask?

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        • Clyde Herrin says:

          You’re right. I am retired. I’ve worked in a lot of places, mostly factories of variouos kinds.

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        • KIA says:

          Thx for the response. I’m 51, currently working customer service but was in lay ministry and missionary work for 25yrs.

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        • KIA says:

          Was it just the bible that led you to distrust the scientific teaching of evolution and ages of the earth and universe?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Was it science and evolution that taught you to leave your brain at the door? Was it science that taught you that men were once whales who cast aside their fins and grew legs they never knew they needed?

          I can speak for all believers in that God made man and woman. Distinct. Male and female made he them. Too bad if you have been disappointed by scripture. But don’t cry it is not true.

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        • KIA says:

          Yes. It was evidence against the claims of Christianity and the bible and the lack of evidence for them that led to my rejection of my former faith.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Sooo, you don’t like the evidence of scripture eh? That the perpetuity of Israel survives according to the evidence of God’s promise as well as the evidence of His rainbow eh?

          You don’t like the evidence regarding the genealogies of man which are provable based on history, and the God given brain?

          You don’t like the evidence of good men who lived simple lives and left records because of the grace of God eh? Face it mike, you have been disappointed by your understanding of scripture, and felt betrayed by other believers perhaps, but please do not say the evidence is not there. Do not say there are defects in God.

          The only evidence you need face is why you remain stubborn. And btw, just wait until you return to the scriptures once more; I’m telling you here and now, your atheist friends will turn on you in a New York minute, and then you will see God’s word is always correct.

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        • KIA says:

          My liking or preference is irrelevant.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          That’s nice mike. Have fun with your friends who collectively can’t one flaw in God or scripture. It’s the creature mike, it’s the creature who has gone astray; this includes you if you are human.

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        • KIA says:

          Can’t find one flaw? You and jb should do a comedy duo. We can… It’s just you can’t. That’s because you refuse to look or see when they are pointed out. “No one is blinder than he who will not see”

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        • ColorStorm says:

          The comedy act is listening to atheists say ‘there is no God.’ THAT is funny.

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        • KIA says:

          Atheists don’t make that claim and you know it

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Yeah ok mike, whatever you say. If you do not admit to saying that they, as well as you, reject the God of creation and scripture, as revealed through nature, the mind, the heart, history, and common sense, then it is you who may want to revisit your own provable ‘unbelief in God.’

          For God’s sake, your own blog proves I am correct.

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        • KIA says:

          I’m not an atheist. Just not Christian anymore. THAT God absolutely does not exist. It’s mythology

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  3. KIA says:

    Self Delusion CS. Self Delusion to ignore the evidence contrary to the testimony of the Bible. Self Delusion to accept the testimony of the Bible when directly contradicted by the evidence. You’re welcome to your delusion and fantasy world. Have a ‘Ball’.

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    • Wally Fry says:

      The fact that it took you 34 years to suddenly realize this says a lot doesn’t it preacher?

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      • KIA says:

        It does brother wally. It really does, but not nearly in the way you may mean. Have a lovely day

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Typical ,preacher. A fly by comment and run off because of the meanie Christians. If you feel your intent has been misrepresented by all means articulate your position for us

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        • KIA says:

          Have a great day wally

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Engage preacher. Don’t run away. State your case and your position

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        • KIA says:

          Sorry wally. Not biting. Some arguments aren’t worth having if one’s partner in the discussion is only spoiling for a fight.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Mike I am not spoiling for a fight good grief grow up. It’s called discussion. Thu think if anybody doesn’t just say yes yes yes preacher they are trying to fight. Yet your career from blog to blog taking potshots and running away hollering you are misunderstood. If you want to be understood then talk. You constantly demand Christians explain every thing yet you offer nothing

          Coward

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Wally is correct mike. You cannot hide in the safety of your atheistic friends. Btw, you may want to consider why you have such an alliance with atheists, especially when you say you have kinship with them.

          Strange bedfellows to be sure, but in this zip code, you lose every argument, for you see, God’s word is upheld in its fullness.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Cracks me up wally. If decons would have spent half the energy in actually studying the scriptures, as they do in trying to prove it wrong, they would have seen that the very book they now despise foretold such things.

          We are warned after all in how to be careful with sharp objects.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Sharing than any two edged sword eh

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Sharper I meant

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        • tildeb says:

          Don’t talk about the lack of evidence, whatever you do, Wally. Nope. Make it personal and go after anyone who points out what reality has to say about this historical and physical claim. It must be a ‘godless’ problem and not an evidence-based problem… or, ironically, you know you’d be sunk and you know it. So divert, divert, divert. That’s the apologetic way. And it’s dishonest to the core.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Tildeb. I asked preacher Mike to articulate his position. There is absolutely nothing dishonest about that. He constantly claims to be misrepresented, yet never attempts to tell us what he actually believes. Seems you and crew ought to get all up in HIS face about honesty, as clearly preacher Mike is trying to play both ends against the middle. Now, my question was to him, and not you, so might I suggest good riddance to you?

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        • Wally Fry says:

          By the way we are not brothers. We do not have the same father. You only say that so that the unsuspecting might still think you are still super Christian when you are not. You are in fact a militant atheist evangelist.

          Non peace to you in your useless flailing against God.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Sure thing mike.

      In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. He made the stars also.

      Facts and reality are a btich to sinfulness.

      One day you may wake up from your stupor. One day.

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  4. Well said, Colorstorm. We have proof of the flood, it’s in the rainbow, God’s promise to the world. Surely people believe in rainbows? 🙂

    In truth however, the anti-flood people are an odd group, because the fact that there was a flood at some point is pretty much scientifically agreed upon. At one point in time the earth was not 3/4 water. There are now fish and seashell fossils in the mountains. Underwater archaeologists have found entire towns, cities buried beneath the sea. The earth still experiences episodes of catastrophic flooding,although on a much smaller scale.

    Smokescreen, indeed.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Yes ma’am, the mere fact that there are various accounts worldwide of a deluge says enough.

      Sure some may have had their facts wrong as to this or that, but rest assured, scripture says it plain as day.

      And who could deny the vast amounts of water on this place we call home? Been to the oceans lately? sheesh.

      The biggest of pipes in that smoke room for sure. 😉

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    • tildeb says:

      Oh look, an appeal to evidence! Well done, IB22. Now find out more. You can do it.

      As for the ‘flood’, those deposits you mention are not flood deposits: they are sedimentary ocean bottom settlements. And it takes a very long time to get these kinds of flat and thick sediments. A very long time indeed. Many, many factors greater than YEC timelines. So when you look at, say, mountain rock that contains sedimentary layers but that are curved and have igneous intrusions and metamorphic warpings, then what? When in the Bible did that occur? A missing chapter or two, you think? But not part of the chronology. You see the problem.

      You see, the evidence clearly shows no global sedimentary pattern from flooding anywhere. The timelines are all wrong. Yet global sediment of volcanic ash events are well documented and consistent. That’s how we know some sedimentary patterns are above these global events while others are below them. A global flood does not fit anywhere in any of our geologic record. It’s not a ‘godless’ record. It’s not an ‘atheist’ record. It’s written in the earth no matter what you or I might wish to import to it. .

      So that’s why it’s a really good idea for you to investigate it yourself… but leave behind these preconceived notions and find out what’s really there. Follow the evidence. Don’t just make stuff up to fit with your preconceived imaginings. Learn. It’s really quite fascinating.

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    • Arkenaten says:

      Yes there was most definitely a flood … maybe more than one but there never was a global flood as described in the bible.
      Seashells on mountains. Again. Don’t YECs ever give up on this particular nonsense? Oh my goodness are you seriously unaware as to to why this is, IB?
      Please, do yourself a favour,go read up a little on plate tectonics.

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      • ColorStorm says:

        Hey doug-
        Can u exhibit some patience in your comment spamming? I can’t keep up with you, and just because you repeat your drivel will never make it true. Now maybe you can actually think about what we are telling you while you await a reply if/and/ or when ib sees fit.

        (read the last paragraph, AGAIN. Talkin to you. Next thing you know, you will complain that a parrot, oops, I mean a donkey, never spoke a word)

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Odd … I feel exactly the same about what you comment, John.

          Weighing up scientific evidence against known erroneous biblical claims is easy peasy … even for mainstream Christians.

          Try to appreciate that it is no great shame to recognise when you have made a mistake, and as you are so steeped in your faith it it is understandable why you would want to save face and not admit to it.

          But truth cares nothing for your fancy rhetoric, John.
          It’s why they put men on the moon.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          You just do not get it ark. There is more science in scripture, IF YOU WOULD BUT PAY ATTENTION and actually read it, considering the ramifications.

          Hello? Fountains of the great deep for instance? Fountains found RECENTLY by your hero scientists, fountains which have proven God’s word correct all along.

          Do your own research. There was a flood. There will be fire. You are on trial, not God.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          How difficult is it for you to simply un-moderate comments? I don’t moderate you any more, so why do you treat me with such disrespect?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          no disrespect at all. I rather like the word prudence.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          What exactly are you afraid of? And why are you still holding several comments in moderation? The Moses comment addressed to Tom for one?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Afraid? You are kidding right? You may recall 9′ Goliath was but a big dummy with an even bigger mouth. One smooth stone correctly placed fell the oaf, and people feared for their lives. Why? Because there is a living God. Your tale is old ark, and God is still God, and His word will always be good.

          There was a flood. Get over it, or be left behind in your ignorance.

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        • tildeb says:

          For the atmosphere – what we in the field of geology call the ‘canopy’ – to hold enough moisture to rain for 40 consecutive days and nights, it would toxic for any birds of mammals to breath. Once released, this water would flow over the surface of the land into whatever basins were available. This is why I raised the sediment issue. Water flows faster downward than it does in a basin. The energy of moving water is what suspends particulates. When the water slows and loses energy, these particulates settle. Ocean basins should logically have much deeper sediment than the land. The opposite is true: to a factor of 4.

          These are two very simple, easy to grasp incompatible facts around which a Genesis style flood must account. It doesn’t. For every tectonic attempt by creationists determined to stick with the account as an historical event (which is why all reasonable faitheists – if that can be anything but an oxymoron – accept that the story is not literal but figurative), even more incompatible problems arise.

          The throw-away references apologists make to ‘science’ that supports the Genesis account of a global flood isn’t science: it’s apologetics in action and is equivalent in all ways with its closest synonym: lying.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          This is precisely why you have zero credibility tildeb, and your spamming friends. You can repeat your lousy ‘findings’ till the cows come home. You cannot possibly conceive that ALL your data is wrong. Heck, there is a guy who has an ice cube in his freezer which he swears is a zillion years old. This is exactly your problem.

          The actions of the Creator are not up to debate. Hello? Water tildeb. Water. Water. Get this in your thick head.

          Evolution and godlessness cannot account for water. Period. But the Creator can, and if He saw fit to fill the earth with a deluge because of the arrogance of man……….(hello tildeb?) then He can do as He pleases.

          Read the ps IN THE POST AGAIN. It’s not about water tildeb. It is about scripture. Period.

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        • tildeb says:

          The only arrogance here is by you and those who believe something is the case in spite of overwhelming evidence that it is not. That’s arrogance, CS. That’s not an atheist stance: it’s reality’s. That’s what your tilting at windmills is really against: reality. That’s your foe, your adversary, your never-ending enemy of your historical reading of the Bible. My role is simply to point this foolishness of such tilting out to you because you’re convinced they are atheist giant warriors.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Evidence? Evidence? EVIDENCE? Produce the evidence it snowed two hundred years ago tildeb. 300. 400? Get the point?

          God’s word is the evidence tildeb. It is enough. True science will always agree, Notice I said ‘true science,’ as opposed to the godless guesses by pretended intellectuals.

          Your greater concern should be God’s promises to the nation of Israel. A flood is peanuts. It’s all true tildeb. Every word of the living God, after all, He did make the water and dirt which you so enjoy but have no one to thank other than yourself.

          But maybe you find the evidence that the world was a bit different while men lived over the ripe age of 900 years. And gee, I wonder what happened in the day of Moses that he was only able to live to 120 years?

          And then later, where 80 years is ripe. Get with the program or continue to be lost in space.

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        • tildeb says:

          And here you are, tilting away again…. or, as Shakespeare wrote, reminding those of listening but still-attached-to-reality, that what you’re telling us is just a tale, “…told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Ok tildeb, yep, the holy scriptures signify nothing. As you wish. Just rub the genie bottle and make it go away.

          Trouble is, there is this small thing known as conscience which disagrees with you. Adios.

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        • tildeb says:

          …and there’s a small thing called reality that disagrees with you.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Tildeb
          One last time. Please do yourself a favor and read this slowly and let it sink in.

          Your gripes about the bible in general and the flood in particular are not new. A hundred years ago, men complained that scripture cannot be trusted, that Christians are idiots, and most certainly that Noah never built a ship.

          500 years ago men had the same complaints, scripture is fraudulent, the apostles were delusional, and Noah never built an ark.

          A thousand years ago, men btiched, same story. No proof. No evidence. It never rained 40 days and 40 nights.

          Many Thousands of years ago, things were different. Really different. Men saw the rains come; after they heard the pleading for 120 years, still they mocked and trusted in their intellect and a lack of belief in the Creator.

          They saw the flood first hand, and they are dead; most buried under the sea. But there is an account, of which I speak today. It is true, just as it is true there will be a day when 100 lb hailstones will fall. Maybe then you will remember this conversation and that prediction. God is never wrong, and His word is always correct.

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        • tildeb says:

          Now let this sink in: your god may never be wrong but you most certainly are.

          You equate your trust in the many times edited and rewritten and copied and translated books of the Bible to be the final and perfect Word of your god and reject any reality that does not align with it. You. That’s what YOU do. And so based on you and you alone, you try to paint those of us sensible enough to respect reality’s arbitration of claims made about it as god-haters and god-deniers for not agreeing with your exegesis. Judge and jury you set yourself up to be while claiming you’re not your god’s spokesman. Yet you are not the final arbiter of either reality or the biblical gods, CS, and so definitely have only your own inflated ego to think you are in a god-granted position to be so. Most Christians would disagree with you. That’s why your tilting at the non believer windmills is so very pathetic.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Soo then, when the hundred pound hailstones fall, will you then admit there is a God in heaven who created rain and snow, and that it is Him with whom you have to do, or will you attribute that event as a ‘scientific freak of nature caused by global warming…………………’

          God’s word is good and true.

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  5. Citizen Tom says:

    What cracks me up is that tildeb thinks he know exactly what the remains of a worldwide flood would look like. Mankind has only been engaging in the thing we call science for several hundred years. Whenever and however it happened, we don’t have much experimental data about sediment formation during catastrophic worldwide floods. All we have are theories about how we should interpret what we now observe in rock strata.

    If there has only been one, and the behavior of the world changed quite interestingly after that (Noah’s Flood was the first time it rained (Genesis 2:5-6), our theories about geology are not exactly correct, to say the least. The do seem to work. That is, geologists have some luck finding what they are looking for, but does not necessarily mean that the Noah’s Flood never happened. We don’t know what we don’t know.

    We have much better evidence for the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Jesus affirmed the Old Testament. That’s why I believe. When it comes to science, I accept what can be reproduced predictably as valid. Theories about the origins of the universe and life I just find interesting. There is no way of validating such things. Did glaciers once cover North America? Possibly. Maybe they were washed away by Noah’s Flood. Who knows?

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    • tildeb says:

      We do know a lot, CT. And we do know enough about rock formation for companies to gamble billions of dollars successfully year after year after year after year. And the models we use based on this understanding in all kinds of different ways that comports to what we find in physical formations throughout the world have regularly and reliably produced a cohesive understanding of geologic timelines into which a global flood simply does not fit while, AT THE SAME TIME, we have literally mountains of incompatible evidence you file under “Well, gosh darn it all, I’m really not so sure.”

      Against this compelling evidence – evidence we model and test for hundreds of years for usefulness – you wager too much uncertainty on the one hand because YOU don’t want to know what this entails, while on the other gambling on a religious story that has zero evidence in its favour. Zero.

      You come to this topic solely armed by your piety and you will always insist that reality and everything it presents to you be subject to this piety, the same physical evidence that you unreasonably demand must comport to your beliefs.

      And you think yourself less arrogant for making this unreasonable demand?

      Ha!

      You are not thinking, CT; you are guarding a religious story long discredited by every facet of reality everywhere we look and by all understanding of what it is we’re finding and utilizing to successful effect every day. Only your willingness to believe – in spite of all reality telling you indisputably that your model is wrong – supports you. Oh, and the idiocy of your equally ignorant pious brethren. And I’m sorry to have the break the news to you but your beliefs no matter how pious you assume them to be do not determine physical reality, CT, and your doubt about it does not comport with what we do understand.

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      • ColorStorm says:

        Hate to break it to you tildeb. You remind me of a kid in kindergarten who can’t spell cat or count to three, as he lectures his teacher.

        It’s the creature tildeb who pretends to have more knowledge than the Creator. Your gripe will always be with He who made water for you to mock.

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      • Citizen Tom says:

        Thanks for giving me an excuse to use one of my favorite quotes.

        It isn’t so much that liberals are ignorant. It’s just that they know so many things that aren’t so.” ― Ronald Reagan

        Imagine going into a court and sitting on a jury. A forensic scientist testifies. He has a cast of a footprint outside a window. That cast matches the defendant’s shoe. Ballistics analysis shows that the shot that killed the victim was fired from the direction of that window. Since a heavy rain fell the day before the shooting, the forensic scientist is able to confidently assert the defendant left his footprint outside that window on the day of the shooting.

        Later, the victim’s wife, torn with guilt, confesses. She admits shooting her husband but refuses to reveal her motive. When she produces the murder weapon, the jury has no choice except to believe her and release the defendant, leaving the forensic scientist quite embarrassed.

        What about that footprint? It turns out that the defendant was what he claimed. He was just a friendly neighbor who had helped the victim fix a window. The window had leaked in the rain. He and the victim argued ferociously over politics and religion all the time, but they both enjoyed it. So they quickly got over their disagreements.

        Just as forensic scientist depends upon being able to replicate what he asserts to be true, the models used by geologists depend upon being able to reproduce what they are see. Unfortunately, when we are talking about complex processes that occur on a gigantic scale over eons, we do have our limits. So it can be difficult to know when factual assertions end and speculation begins, but it is a fact that we do like to speculate, and some of us confuse speculation with fact.

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        • tildeb says:

          And you confuse fact for speculation. To maintain this fiction, you then conveniently bring in “eons” of time to give the impression that this increases the scope of speculation because stuff happened long ago (it doesn’t: you can recreate very small scale and immediate sedimentary patterns with a bucket of water and dirt), but then forget our Dear Host believes the world to be mere thousands of years old… and flat, even after a global flood where the water went…?! He does so because he will do whatever is necessary to warp reality to fit into his religious explanatory model. His model is assumed to be correct because it’s biblical, you see, and that’s that. Your analogy is exactly wrong in this regard because CS (and you) is incapable of adjusting your beliefs no matter how compelling the later evidence might be. The only difference between how you inform your beliefs about reality and CS is one of quibbling context rather than content. Physical evidence is the content you are failing to model successfully, CT, with this global flood hypothesis. That’s why it’s a failed hypothesis… except for religious extremists like you who must have it be true no matter what reality says about the claim you already accept as ‘fact’.

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        • Citizen Tom says:

          And you confuse fact for speculation.

          It remains to be seen which of us wrong, but the Bible has an excellent record of withstanding its critics.

          Did I bring up “eons” to increase the scope of speculation? What absurdity!

          James Ussher (1581-1656), the famous and respected Archbishop of Ireland in the seventeenth century, is today greatly ridiculed for declaring that the world was created in 4004 BC (see => https://answersingenesis.org/bible-timeline/the-world-born-in-4004-bc/). Why bring that up? The bishop derived that date, but the Bible does not give dates for either Creation or Noah’s Flood.

          To make their theories work, the scientists who came up with their own theories need all those eons. God created time. To the confusion of bishops and the rest of us mere men, He can do with time as He wishes. Hence, I don’t claim to have the foggiest idea of when God created everything. I most certainly don’t know how He created everything.

          What the Bible is is eyewitness testimony from God, our Creator. Rightly or wrongly, I give that testimony more credibility than you want to give it. That is, I put more faith in the God of the Bible than I put in the speculations of men.

          If you don’t want to believe the Bible, I think that is your right and your choice. I think it is a foolish choice, but I am not going to twist your arm until it breaks or you cry “uncle”. Nevertheless, I get the distinct impression that if you thought you had that power you would twist arms and even break them.

          We should be content with persuasion, but you do not seem to be content. We should put our faith in the plans of our Creator. When we don’t, we have no cause for hope, much less faith. Whereas we should strive to love and obey the One who made us all, the mere thought of Him seems to fill you with rage. Nevertheless, you think you are one who knows how to reason with others — and peaceably too, no doubt.

          Will you eventually change your mind? God only knows.

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  6. Citizen Tom says:

    Comment in moderation. Guess I used a name I should have avoided.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Nope. Don’t know why CT.

      But I do like your idea that we can be certain of things that are sure, while not touching things that are uncertain. Science can be helpful in understanding the properties of water of course, but is clueless as to how the water arrived on day one. 😉

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      • Citizen Tom says:

        The scoffers love Noah’s Flood, but as you say, if not for that it would be something else.

        Can you imagine being asked to prove the Ten Plagues happened? The clowns don’t even believe the Hebrews were in Egypt. Still, if they accepted proof the Hebrews were in Egypt they would be asking for proof of the plagues. Then if you could produce a plague of frogs, for example, they would get angry and say you did it, not God.

        Myself, I would be happy to leave them up to their ears in frogs and covered with boils, but I suppose Jesus would not condone that.
        😉

        Besides, they probably still would not believe in either Moses or the plagues.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Moses and the plagues are works of fiction. This has been established for quite some time. Even mainstream Christians acknowledge this to be the case these days.

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  7. Arkenaten says:

    Still holding a couple of my comments in moderation I see.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      I can only take so much of your repetition. Sorry. I do not have the patience of Job nor the tolerance of fools.

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      • Arkenaten says:

        Then we are agreed on at least one thing … And I shall moderate your comments from hereon.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          And you say there is no God? It’s a miracle any of your comments make it past the gatekeeper.

          Look at the count tally you racked up in this thread alone. Without moderation, you would post a thousand comments, most of which are repeated circus antics and nonsense.

          But rest assured, you have no need to moderate me, as I do not bring absolute depravity and words unsuitable for any grandmother, but have at it.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          No I don’t say there is no God – I say the evidence produced so far means we can dismiss all claims for gods, yours’ and everyone else’s with impunity.

          You always hold in moderation the truly pertinent questions and the ones that might upset the ore sensitive Creationists such as Wally and Tom.
          Cowardly behaviour as you know they hit a nerve, and truth is something you have always struggled with, as have they.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          No ark, You have been the proverbial parrot. We have heard the same excuses just in different tattered clothing. You do not give me enough credit as I am well aware of HOW one suppose innocent question leads into a thousand others of your baited nonsense.

          As to your evidence, I’ll tell you what I told tildeb. What will you then say when the Creator sends hundred pound hailstones to get your attention? Will you btich and moan that there is STILL no proof? There is proof all right, the rain itself is enough proof, it is simply your willful blindness that is the issue on the table. Same old story.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          The problem with that one pertinent question, whatever it may be, is that you have no answer for it and this leaves every other aspect of your faith wide open.

          It is the fact that you are unable to provide an honest answer for a single question that makes your apologetic defense look so weak and pathetic, and why you always resort to silly rhetoric calling upon your ants for witness.

          Indoctrination works this way, John, as what you believe and tout as truth is unable to stand on its own two feet under the merest casual scrutiny.

          The day you are completely honest and state that your belief is solely the result of faith I will nod and acknowledge your honesty.
          Until then …

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Ark-

          God’s word is provable faith, based on history, observation, facts, nature, and common sense.

          cya

          Will you then cry to ‘science!’ because of the hundred pound hailstones coming to a town near you……………

          Written previously in scripture of course, where it is all reliable, verifiable, and truthful.

          You need to read the last paragraph of the post. Seriously.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          God’s word is provable faith, based on history, observation, facts, nature, and common sense.

          But exactly what is Yahweh’s word, Colourstorm?
          Do you have access to it? Can you show irrefutable evidence for the written hand of Yahweh?
          The bible is not that word. It never has been and we know this for a fact.
          And this is verifiable based on history, observation, facts, nature and common sense.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          I have said enough. I have told you the truth.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          No, John, all you have done – all you ever do – is regurgitate apologetics.
          Sadly, you reject the truth as it does not comport with your indoctrinated worldview and as you refuse to address any of the issues in an honest fashion your rhetoric simply wafts all over the place like odorless gas.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          I’ll thank you to respect this last comment of yours on this thread, then you wont have to btich that u are being moderated. God’s word s good. Science will one day bow at his feet when the hailstones fall weighing one hundred pounds. Maybe you will consider that today, while God is still gracious in the face of mankind’ rebellion.

          There was flood. There is a God. Consider His rainbow also. Cya.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Maybe, today, you will be prepared to be honest, demonstrate some integrity and offer evidence for your claims?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Here ya go, pure integrity:

          In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And God said, let there be light, and there was light. He made the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night.

          He made the stars also.

          (You must be deaf, because the other was your last comment, so stop please. And all men know this is true regarding creation, you simply suppress the obvious.)

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        • Arkenaten says:

          And there you go … lying through your teeth as per spec.

          The bible is a fallacious piece of literature.
          Provide evidence please.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          In front of a world wide audience, please go away. I’ll keep my word to not comment further here, to you, you do the same. I realize the blistering truth of scripture is too much to bear.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Ark. Really. You think your pathetic flailings will shake my faith? Ba ha ha ha ha ha! Thanks for the chuckle this morning. You believe in a god, Ark; the problem is that you have elevated yourself to His position in your own mind.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          @ Wally.
          Where did I for one instant suggest you would ever doubt on my account, or that this was ever my intent?
          I believe you consider yourself just a wee bit too special.
          And no Waly. I am sorry to disapoint, bt I really do not beleive in gods, yours’ or anyuone else’s.
          But as I have said time and again. If you are able to provide evidence and it is worthy of consideration then maybe …. well, you never know, right?
          So , feel free. Present your evidence.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          “Where did I for one instant suggest you would ever doubt on my account, or that this was ever my intent?”

          Really? That’s funny. You KNOW that is your intent. If you say otherwise you are a liar.

          There is no evidence that would make you happy, because you have already decided. Therefore any evidence contrary to your already decided stance is instantly dismissed.

          Keep on flailing.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          No. You have mu word, I have never ever thought of trying to convert you.
          You are way too steeped in indoctrination for someone such as me to even attempt to convert. All I can do is show how silly your arguments are for others to read.
          And once again … I do not lie, I have no need to.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Last word here. Sure you lie ark.

          You have said repeatedly: ‘there is no God.’

          Surely a lie. Surely a Lie. Surely a LIE. Your repetition of ‘no God’ is no threat to Him. Read the last paragraph of the essay, for the third time.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I have read it. Your claim that every thing is merely a smokescreen is unfounded and unsubstantiated.
          You cannot cover your rear by shifting the goalposts indefinitely Colourstorm.
          This is not about you and them.
          It is about truth and fiction, myth and fact.

          And you are on the losing side. A side that once considered witchcraft to be real, that demons walked the earth, and the same earth was once thought to be flat.

          You will be left crying in the wind, regarded as a sad pathetic oddball.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Sorry, missed the second part of your reply Wally.
          I have always thought that an all-powerful deity would know exactly the right evidence to use to convince an atheist such as me, especially if he created me and eve more so as my eternal soul might be on the line. So why would I want to preempt an all-knowing all-powerful god? That would be just plain daft.

          But something convinced you and if you are up to it, why not tell me what was the evidence that convinced you to stop being an atheist and become a born- again Christian.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Ark. God bears no burden to present Himself in a way that satisfies you. It’s really nice of you to be so kind to God so as not to want to “preempt” Him. You don’t get to lay the burden of YOUR rejection on Him. You are a big boy, and have made your own choice. No, I won’t present additional evidence for you; plent has already been. Again, any thing presented to you as evidence will be immediately rejected as not evidence. You have decided. This is not between you and I; it is between you and God.

          Have one.

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  8. Wally Fry says:

    Comment in moderation.

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  9. tildeb says:

    If one – anyone – removes religious belief from interpreting the world around us and asks if there was ever a global flood, then the answer to that rests in the world. That’s where the answer can be found. In reality. In the world.

    If one approaches discovering what the world reveals to this question about a catastrophic global flood, one cannot help but adduce that there is no evidence in the world to support it.

    To be clear, the world actually reveals what that evidence would look like starting at a small scale with some dirt and water and seeing what happens when the water recedes. Working upwards to larger and larger events, we find the same forces at work, the same results aligned with the size and timing of the flooding event. Every flood reveals the same kind of graduated evidence based on the size and time of the flood. Likewise, time between these floods presents the same accumulated biological and geological evidence for non flood times. We act on this knowledge we have adduced from reality’s historical record available to all to very great affect in many ways, not least of which is how we build vital infrastructure – not because we suddenly gain ‘faith’ of the religious kind regarding floods, predicting them, figuring out how long until they recede, what the residue will be, but gain ‘knowledge’ that the world presents consistent and reliable insight into how floods operate and what effects they produce. We can then work back in time and logically and reasonably deduce prior flooding events because of the evidence we know today that is reliable and consistent from each and every local flood event there is in the world. That’s how we can reasonably adduce yesterday’s events. The evidence. The larger the event, the greater the evidence is left in the world for it. So the absence of this evidence from the world for a global flood event reveals the hypothesis to be without merit about this world. That’s just the way it is. That’s what reality demonstrates.

    Introducing confidence in the global flood hypothesis must therefore be based on something other than what the world reveals to us. This is why you, CS, refer to scripture. That is your source. That is your only source. And it really does stand contrary to what the world demonstrates is the case about it. That these accounts diametrically differ is not debatable if we are to use evidence and compare it with scriptural authority.

    So what you then do is try to artificially paint those who respect what the world tells us is the case about an historical global flood to be ungodly, to be a character issue, an immoral stance, an atheist plot against the religious, and so on. Nowhere do you present evidence from this world to support your hypothesis; instead, you insist that BECAUSE your hypothesis is from scripture, therefore it MUST be true. That’s your starting point. As a starting point, you begin with your conclusion about this world not from evidence from this world but by the historical authority you grant to scripture alone. This is why I claim you do not respect knowledge about the world, or how it operates reliably and consistently, or even grant this world and the evidence it contains to have any right to determine any merit for any hypotheses you draw from scripture about it. You simply don’t care about any of this. You care only to elevate your trust and confidence in scripture – in the authority you grant to it – and do so by trying to make those who do not share your a priori trust and confidence in this contra-factual, contra-evidence, contra-reality, to be adversaries not of your placement of trust and confidence but of your god, people who according to you MUST be out to diminish its adherents by ‘attacking’ the authoritarian source of your belief – the authority you grant to it and assume its unquestionable veracity about the world. You don’t grasp that others do not share your granting of absolute trust and confidence in scripture because of compelling reasons that stand independently supported by coherent and consistent and reliable evidence from this world. You don’t grasp that starting with your conclusion is a well know, well described thinking mistake,m a logical fallacy. You don’t grasp that you are the one attacking people and maligning their characters and not their well supported ideas and opinions about reality by reality for allowing the global flood hypothesis to stand on its own merit and, finding none from this world, rejected for that lack of merit, lack of evidence, lack of descriptive power. You fail to grasp that this global flood hypothesis is assumed by you as if it were an unquestionably correct conclusion about the world… a world that exists as it is independent of you or me. You fail to grasp that anyone who respects the world enough to allow it to arbitrate claims made about it is not your enemy or adversary. That this undermines scripture is a problem for scripture. This is what reality demonstrates to be the case: there was no global flood. So the point is that those who reach this reasonable conclusion based evidence from the world being described do so because the hypothesis lacks evidence whereas your staring conclusion about the world is assumed to be true even when it does not comport with the world. It describes a global flood but a description that itself stands contrary to and incompatible with the world. Claiming scriptural authority does nothing to alter this fact one iota. That’s why I say non believers have nothing to do with this problem of scripture, that it is scripture that does not comport with the world we inhabit.

    So the problem is with the lack of support from the world for granting historical merit to scripture that describes an historical event that never happened. That is the problem. The problem is not with those of us who point this fact out. The world does not comport to scripture’s rendering of it. In any other area of human endeavor, intolerance for correction by the world for ideas held about it is considered at the very least delusional thinking because once reality is rejected from arbitrating beliefs about it (as you do by substituting scriptural authority) then there is no means for you to align your beliefs about reality by reality. This is a problem YOU must deal with.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      I’m supposed to answer all this? Length does not impress me but tkx for the lecture.

      If I may. I refer to scripture because it is the only account of the world which is true. There is no agenda, no sales pitch. All other attempts by others are cartoonish and read as much.

      God’s word speaks to mankind’s affections and a heart that needs absolutes. Of course! The creator made man thus.

      He made water tildeb. You can keep your guesses without Him, but they are all borrowed and sit in the scrapheap of history’s idiot Goliath’s. Big mouths and not a drop of wisdom.

      You are a careless reader of scripture tildeb, and I do not have to prove anything to you. The truth of God and creation as well as a flood is so plain it does not take a thousand PhD’s to deem it credible.

      It is settled. ‘The world WHICH THEN WAS, BEING OVERFLOWED WITH WATER……..PERISHED.’ Chew on that tildeb. Do islands and 3/4 of the earth saturated in water give a clue to you?

      You will find nothing that will satisfy you regarding this world which then was. Your gripes are I must say contradictory to true science and the history of the earth. Do you also think the moon had to ask for permission from your godless friends ere it shine?

      Design. Purpose. As it was, as it ever shall be. I can say without hesitation that you know I am telling the truth, but it takes a whole lot of humility to side with God over every single book ever written combined.

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      • tildeb says:

        What I’m trying to explain, CS, is that claims made about the world should be based on merit from the world and that replacing the world with something else to justify the claim is a thinking error. To then go beyond this error and malign those who use the world this way is an aggression. You seem determined to rationalize this away under the heading of ‘piety’. And this doesn’t change anything.

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  10. ColorStorm says:

    One last time tildeb. God’s word is good. One day your science will catch up and admit you are missing about 11 donuts from the dozen. Until that time, keep telling yourself there is no God and men are smarter than He who created the brain.

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    • tildeb says:

      Who are you talking to? This has nothing to do with the points I have raised but a continuation of your aggressive theme to malign those who use reality to justify claims made about reality.

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      • ColorStorm says:

        Aggressive? Ha! If you only knew my restraint. But scripture has won every battle tildeb, long before Einstein and the pretended smarts of Degrasse and Nye, Sagan were in diapers.

        There was a flood. Get over it, and get with the program of God’s truth. You still never addressed 100 lb hailstones…………….

        Of even 2 lb stones. Or even a snowflake. Or even a rain drop. Or even a dewdrop. Wake up.

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        • tildeb says:

          It’s not a battle, CS. You are the one trying to make it into a battle when that’s not the issue. The issue is about you making a claim about reality – that there was an historical global flood. So you’ve been asked to provide evidence. You don’t provide any. All you do is draw upon the authority of scripture that you have awarded to it. So you are questioned about why you grant it authority for a claim about reality by being asked to produce evidence.

          This is where I think you simply don’t grasp what is being asked: what is evidence?

          Evidence is what links a claim about the world with the world. The key understanding is the term ‘links’; evidence means describing this worldly link. Not scripture. Worldly. From the world. No amount of scripture is evidence. No amount of religious belief about the supernatural is evidence. Evidence means what you are using FROM THE WORLD to link your claims about it undergoing a global flood at a specific historical time. This is what you – you, CS – are failing to do. YOU provide no evidence from the world to link your claim about the world. This is a failure on YOUR part. You have no evidence. Period. End of story. Claim dead in the water, so to speak.

          What you have is your belief based on your faith to grant authority to scripture about the world that has no evidence from the world for it’s descriptive power to support this historical claim. None. No evidence.

          The battle you wage is not with me, not with non believers, not with scientists who use compelling evidence to justify beliefs about the world. Your battle is with the world itself, a world that does not provide you with evidence to justify your historical claims about it. You are fighting reality in this matter. That’s the battle you are having, and one that I think you can never win no matter how strong your faith is. Reality simply doesn’t care about your faith: reality is what it is and that’s that. That’s why I say your battle is equivalent to tilting at windmills and just as productive, which is to say, not at all. In fact, I think it’s harmful and provide plenty of evidence that maintaining your faith-based beliefs harms your estimation of those who do not share them. Your claims about reality are void of evidence from it until you can produce some. Until then, you can point at rainbows and imagine 200 pound hail all you want and it does nothing to improve the utter lack of evidence to support your scriptural confidence in a global flood… a confidence that comes not from reality, not from the world, not with any evidence, but entirely from you and then maintained in spite of what reality has to offer about their merit. That’s your battle. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with those who do not award confidence to the descriptive power of scripture about the world when it lacks any evidence from the world.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          The atheistic claim for ‘evidence’ is a tale as old as time tildeb.

          The battle truly is for your mind; apparently you have an issue with sunshine, you know, that wonderful realm of heat and light……….so provided by a loving Creator.

          If life itself cannot convince you of a Creator sir, then who am I to convince you? Then there are the holy scriptures, which affirm every word I speak to you is true.

          You have no issue with bloggers. I think Wally said it. It is the living God you box against.

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        • tildeb says:

          If there were compelling evidence for justifying a belief that your god was real, was an active agent in the world, did cause real world effect, then you wouldn’t need to convince me, CS: the world would. And I would thank you for bringing this evidence to light. But because that evidence is missing in its entirety, I do not believe your god is as you present him/it/whatever is the case. You presume I haven’t bothered to look or that I refuse to look; rest assured, I have looked because if this were the case and that evidence was compelling for such a divine agency, I’d be perfectly willing and able to justify such a belief relying on independent evidence from reality to justify a belief about reality. I’ve not just read the Bible; I’ve actually studied many bibles, and many other scriptures. And they are most assuredly different. So I know you’re full of deceit to try to pretend you have access to just the god-sanctioned version. No such beastie.

          But as for compelling evidence about n a global flood, it is just not there.

          And I’d love to think no harm, no foul when it comes to believing as you do but – again – the evidence justifies a very different belief, that maintaining a belief like yours and exporting it to the world we share as if true, as if sanctioned by the One True God, causes far more harm by the actions of believers to the whole human community than any benefit believers think they accrue in part from it. That’s why I explain where and how and to what effect your rejection/denialism of reality causes. That’s why I challenge believers such as yourself to demonstrate your evidence, to justify the harm you do intentionally to real people in real life in the name of honouring your god and the maligning you revel in against reasonable people whose great crime in your eyes is to allow the world some say in the beliefs you choose to hold about it, held I should point out with certainty but without equivalent evidence to justify this unreasonable confidence and trust you award to it.

          The problem isn’t with reality or those who respect it. The problem is one of your creation.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          You can challenge ‘my view’ all you want tildeb.

          The One who created water is more than adequate for any shortcomings in understanding you may have.

          Did I say the One who CREATED water…………

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        • tildeb says:

          Yes you did… but have no evidence for this claim, which makes it yet another in an endless list of a statement of your faith-based belief. Your belief. So what? Its value – like every other faith-based statement you make – is zero in knowledge merit because it is not linked in any way to the world we share. Water no more supports your faith-based claims than rainbows, kittens, or Ebola, but it does play a central role is the claims of all figurative and literal rain dancers like you who pretend their faith-based beliefs accurately describe a world of supernatural agencies and powers.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Your greater concern tildeb should be the contents of scripture. You know, information impossible to know without the aid of He who created the brain to understand.

          Read it. As it is meant to be read. Without the aid of godless voices in your ear, or pretended scholars who allege to know more of God than God Himself. The internet has made more idiots than a thousand degrasse Tysons.

          And btw, Job and Moses knew more of true hydrology than modern scientists combined. Do your own research.

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        • tildeb says:

          The book of Job you read today had at least two authors and the ending changed. Which bits are the god-breathed parts, CS? You make the Bible into your idol (and stop processing your critical faculties right from the start). There’s a commandment against doing exactly what you’re doing, BTW. And, to the point, how do YOU know which is which… having zero evidence to back up your faith-based belief that so effortlessly differentiates (or it wouldn’t require ‘faith’ of the religious kind, now would it)?

          It’s you who has no humbleness in this matter, CS, because you already believe YOU have true insight and then hold up your Bible as if this defends your confidence and trust. It doesn’t. It reveals you to be a con man, pretending your opinions and faith-based beliefs have a divine source rather than one driven entirely by your own ego.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          My ego that upholds scripture? Now that’s a laff of the century.

          Until your hero pseudo sciency/scholar friends who do not know Genesis from Revolution can make a drop of water……using nothing……….

          I rest my convictions upon scripture which has long silenced the mouths of fools since time began. Long before Timex was on the wrist.

          Tell me tildeb, where were you when the heavens were created? Tell me now. Impress me with your ego. And I’ll patiently await your arrogance that worships at the rusty altar of pretended science.

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        • tildeb says:

          Wrong question.

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